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- 3y
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- 3y
Hiya, (and first off I have to say I love your username and avatar!) As a fellow moral scrupulosity type, I'm right here with you--this kind of fusion can be such a struggle. One option is to try leaning into that thought-action fusion as an exposure, especially as you said that responding with logic isn't really effective. So when your OCD tries to tell you thinking something "bad"/hearing someone say something "bad" is as "bad" as you doing it, agree with it and sit in the uncertainty that it might be right. "Sure, OCD. Them saying that means I'm a terrible person. Yep, everyone hates me now." This is called non-engagement response (https://myocdcare.com/the-art-of-ocd-non-engagement-responses/) and it can be really effective. Learning some defusion techniques could definitely be useful too, but I think treating the fused thoughts as an opportunity for exposure is a better first step. Best of luck, I hope this helps!
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- 3y
Hello! Thank you so much for this advice. I haven’t heard of this before and I’m excited to look into it and to have it help me (hopefully) with this cognitive distortion. Also I appreciate the compliment about my username and avatar! I’m scared to lean in but I’m sure that’s the best thing to do and hopefully I make it out the other side 🤞 Thanks again!
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- 3y
@Have a sunflower🌻 Hi Have a sunflower! I haven't been on this app in awhile, I've been working on ERP and mindfulness lately and it's going decently well! I still have some bad days, but I've been having a lot of good days though! :) I'm sorry that you're struggling right now though! :( I've never heard of "thought action fusion", but I feel like what you're describing is actually kind of relatable and I'm honestly kind of glad to know that there is a name for it and that there is treatment for it more specifically. I'm sorry though, I don't feel like I'm offering much in terms of advice, I guess I'm kind of just saying I can relate. I'm sorry... 😅 but Lms526 and theduckopera seemed to offer some pretty good advice, I actually might reas that article that theduckopera posted too! :) By the way, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year Have a sunflower! 😀 I pray God will help you through this thought action fusion that you're facing! God bless! :)
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Can you remind yourself that you didn’t say but someone else did?
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- 3y
That doesn’t seem to help. I don’t think logic works because it’s an illogical concern if that makes sense. Like I can’t convince myself that just because I thought something doesn’t make it the same as if I did it in real life either. Logically I know they aren’t the same but hearing someone else say something bad, me thinking something bad, and me doing something bad all have the same amount of guilt and shame and that amount of guilt and shame is like the equivalent of me being a mass murderer or something no matter what kind of bad phrase, thought, or action is in question. I don’t know how to separate myself from it all.
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- 3y
@Have a sunflower🌻 I struggle with the same thing. Its so hard. You aren't alone.
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- 3y
OCD does not respond to logic. No matter how much evidence you provide, OCD will ALWAYS come back with "OK. But what about _____________?"
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@Lms526 Thank you!
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- 24w
I have been really really struggling for the past 3 months and haven’t been able to stop intrusive thoughts/ rumination and confessing. It’s making me question my entire life, my relationship and even who I am as a person. It’s mainly effecting my relationship, I am so afraid that I did something or think things that are definitely hurtful to my partner. I know my brain is contorting my own memory and making things seem so much worse. I also know I haven’t done anything bad, all my things I’ve confessed about have been considered “normal” and I’ve been told that “you’re normal, you didn’t do anything wrong”. But I have felt this intense sense of guilt and shame and it doesn’t go away, I can’t even be a normal person anymore. And I keep searching for “just one more thing I need to tell” and I don’t want to keep searching my brain of every time I’ve said or done anything that I can distort and make seem 1000% worse. I’m isolating myself and just feel like I’m a bad person. I keep confessing my thoughts, feeling, urges, etc. to my partner and while I know I would never do any of these I feel like my ocd is trying to convince me that maybe I would because “why else would you think it or feel guilty” and that makes it so much worse. I really need guidance on how to handle this. What do I do to stop feeling like this and heal?
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I’ve been gone for about a month, mostly because I kept seeing messages on here that felt super anxiety-inducing and not understanding of OCD at all. Honestly, it got to the point where I started getting nervous to even open the app. Lately, I’ve been stuck in this OCD loop that I think might be moral scrupulosity or something like that. I’ve been dealing with this thing where I feel like I have to “challenge” stuff mentally or verbally, like if I don’t say something out loud, it feels super uncomfortable. And the thoughts are about heavy stuff, like assault or deportation or just really morally loaded topics. My brain starts picking everything apart. It’s like I have to look at things fairly, and then I get trapped in all these little technicalities. For example, if someone gets assaulted, my brain fixates on stuff like “what was she wearing”even though I know how harmful that line of thinking is. That is exactly the kind of thing my mind zooms in on. It happens with a bunch of topics too, not just that. I feel like I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the aggressor or see “both sides,” and then I end up doubting the victim. And the worst part is, it feels like I truly believe these devil’s advocate thoughts. It feels so real. It’s like I become convinced that the victim might be lying or that there’s some justification for the harm, and I don’t like it. This even happens with my boyfriend and especially his family. I’ll catch my brain flipping narratives or making me question people I trust. this has been a “habit”for as long as I can remember but now it’s happening so much more. I cannot stop doubting. It feels like I’m siding with people who I should have no doubts to be against. I don’t know what to do or what kind of ERP would work for this. I don’t know how to change this. It’s been apart of me so long, it simply feels like me.
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- 8w
As a practicing devout Catholic I am often very conflicted about determining my moral culpability and if my thoughts and actions are mortal sins. A lot feels at stake here since it’s about offending God and whether or not I need to go to reconciliation so I don’t go to hell. It doesn’t seem prudent to say “maybe, maybe not”. What am I to do?
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