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I guess all depends on the severity of your ocd. @anonymous caterpillar, you are probably lucky enough that your obsessions don't paralyse you
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My obsessions do paralyze me, often to the point that I can’t function. it’s just that they are so unconnected to real life that it would be impossible to think up an exposure for them. There are tons or real life triggers, but it’s impossible to guess beforehand what they might be.
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yeah, i really so. i struggle a LOT with the idea of intentional exposure, because unintentional is how things usually go out in the world. talking about my ocd thoughts makes them bigger and legitimizes them, and for me, im more likely to be successful ignoring a compulsive desire if i just... dont give it anymore thought
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Thanks for the reply! Yeah, I’m not too sure why intentional exposures are always what’s recommended first, since responding correctly to natural exposures from living your life and disregarding the thoughts you already have can be just as effective, or even more so, and although it’s difficult, I think people would be much more willing to do that that purposeful exposures, especially at the beginning. Maybe someone else will respond and explain why they think purposeful exposures are helpful for them, since I’m really curious to know.
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@anonymous caterpillar 🐛 i think the idea behind it is that intentional exposure works differently. like, if i am doing this thing with the goal of doing this thing, i know it is coming and what to expect. for me, that's exactly the issue--i DONT know whats coming on a daily basis, so preparing for it with intentional ERP is like taking an exam you already know the questions for. unintentional exposure, then, is taking an exam for which you dont even have a study guide.
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@anonymous caterpillar 🐛 that said, let me also be clear that i am not dogging ERP. i know its the "gold standard" for OCD treatment, and am currently undergoing it.
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@teeth Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I’ve actually never thought of that before, but that’s a really good point!
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@teeth It’s good that you’re not dodging ERP. I’m not either, I’m just taking a different approach. I try to disregard the thoughts I naturally get, and I make sure to not avoid the things I might be scared of that I would normally do, which could be considered a purposeful exposure, but it’s just a of more natural one, and not really a structured ERP exercise.
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If your OCD is telling you you can’t have a conversation with someone or do anything until you get over this thing, you need to stop following OCD’s commands and do those things anyway. You’re not truly disregarding it until you go on with your normal day.
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I think the intentional exposure is for people who are so afraid of their obsession, that in real life they would never manage! So in a fake and prepared setting, knowing that it's just an exercise, might be easier to have some power on your obsession/anxiety
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hm, well, no one said they dont. does abandoning everything in your cart or that you just bought and running home while having anxiety attacks, then taking 3 hour showers sound paralyzing? because thats my thing, and i still think learning to deal with exposures in the wild would be more helpful to me than provoking them
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Yes, for me any planned exposure would not work because all the triggers have to be found in actual real life for them to scare me. I pick up things from pretty mich anywhere and make up some extremely scary story about it. The randomness of it is why it’s so scary, and since the things can be from anywhere, I would have no idea what kind of exposure to do. It seems like living my life in itself is an exposure.
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it all depends on your personal experience, imo, and what you struggle with on a day to day basis
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Hi! I've been on my OCD healing journey for about half a year and I have seen a lot of success. I'm reaching out for advice, I am very willing to do exposures because I know the more I do them, the more I get better, but I struggle with the response prevention part. I don't know how to control my brain when it comes to facing the fears especially since most of my compulsions are mental. I can tell myself the typical things "I am okay with the uncertainty of this happening", etc. but its like my brain doesn't believe them. I've been stuck in this disconnect for a while and would love advice you have heard from a therapist or learned that has really help you.
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I realize this may not work for everyone, particularly those who are struggling with moral or existential forms of OCD, but as someone struggling with relationship OCD, here’s my proposition and what’s worked- 1. ERP and resisting compulsions involves intentionally exposing yourself to distress and not trying to do anything about it, but just sit with it. It is a fundamentally ascetic and meditative practice. 2. Resisting compulsions also means overcoming your bodily desire (because more than anything OCD is a nervous system response, not a rational one) for relief from distress, and instead aligning yourself with a higher principle that overcomes your temporal state. 3. OCD also operates similarly to addiction, and recovery outcomes for addicts are significantly improved through belief in a higher power. Higher power is actually one of the core elements of AA programs because it makes self discipline a lot easier. 4. ERP/CBD is effective, in part, because it already fits within the psychology of someone with OCD. What I mean by this is that it involves homework, specific procedures done at regular intervals, intense self discipline, and is overall pretty formulaic/ritualistic/somatic in nature. And we know that it works, and this method of addressing OCD tends to really excite and appeal to those who suffer with it. We act like the totality of OCD psychology is bad, but it also seems to be the key to reversing OCD, and may be a kind of superpower when properly utilized. 5. We have countless religious traditions that are thousands and thousands of years old which have developed techniques and rituals precisely for what OCD recovery needs- Getting out of a reactive state, getting into a state of gratitude and meditation, developing ascetic skills to overcome temptation (compulsions), being okay with uncertainty, creating a place of inner peace and compassion, having a system of accountability and reminders which keep you from slipping back into compulsive patterns, and doing all of this in community with people who experience the same struggle. So far, religion has been *the most* helpful thing I’ve done for my OCD. Here’s how this has played out in my own life: -Hesychastic prayer. This is an Eastern Orthodox tradition where you project the Jesus prayer, in repetition, channeling it not just from the mind or mouth but from the heart. It is deeply psychosomatic, with the goal of creating ego death and achieving a state of seeing God in all things. It creates a calm, warm feeling in my chest that feels identical to a psychedelic afterglow. It takes me out of my head and into my body, and the first time I tried it, with a prayer candle lit beside me, I experienced very rapid relief and was able to sleep for the first time without having any nightmares. I now do this consistently, along with other kinds of prayer and hymn recitation, and gratitude before meals, and it’s something I genuinely enjoy and look forward to. Since doing it, my compulsions have gone done by like 70%. Every time I feel myself slipping into compulsions, instead of doing them, I pause and pray. Prayer fills me with warmth, gratitude, and comfort. I feel connected to something greater than myself, my body becomes calm, my heart stops racing, and afterwards, I no longer feel compelled to perform my compulsions, because I know that it is harmful to myself and those around me, and that God is watching over me guiding me to act in a more thoughtful and wise way. This has single-handedly brought me more long term relief than any other OCD technique or treatment has. Not only has it relieved my OCD, but I have so much more energy, motivation, and self discipline in other areas of my life. It’s like I can feel my neurochemistry balance itself in real time. I’m eating healthier, my relationships are richer, I’m a better student, I feel more creatively inspired, and I have so much more self discipline to resist habits that are bad for me. I hope this may be helpful to anyone else who might be struggling. I’ve searched online and there’s really no information out there that I could find on religious ritual being an effective OCD treatment, but it’s been completely revolutionary in my life.
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I had just posted a summary of ERP for a group member, and I thought it might be useful for everybody. Here it is below (with a little extra added)…. ERP therapy is researched-based. Most other therapies don’t work. There have been people who have been literally stuck in their houses (from their OCD) who gained their lives back through ERP therapy. NOCD does ERP therapy exclusively. You can find it in other places too, but you have to ask around. There are two tenants of ERP therapy: The first one has to do with the repetitive thoughts inside our heads. These thoughts are actually defined as “obsessions”. You are not supposed to do anything with the obsessions. You are supposed to let them run through your head freely, without trying to fix them or stop them. Imagine a tree planted by a river. The leaves fall off and float down the river. You can see the leaves falling, but you don’t try to stop them or pick them up. You don’t try to fix them. You just let them float away. This is really important to do with your obsessive thoughts. The more you try to fight them off, the worse they get. I used to have blasphemous sentences running in my head 24/7. I felt like I had to put a “not” next to each sentence in order to “fix” it. But this just took hours of my time every day, and it was very scary, because I was worried that if I messed up, that I would go to hell. It was very freeing to learn later that I could just let those sentences run freely through my head without trying to fix them. The second part of ERP therapy is all about “denying your compulsions.” Every time OCD tells you that if you don’t do things a certain way that something really bad will happen, that is a compulsion. Once you recognize what your compulsions are, ERP therapy will have you practice stopping doing all of those things. For some people, that will mean stopping washing their hands or touching lights switches or, in my case, putting “fixing” words in their head. Compulsions are safety behaviors. During ERP therapy, you will practice stopping engaging with safety behaviors. All this is very hard to do and scary, so during therapy you will be given tools to help you deal with the fear. Often ERP therapy will take people from being non-functional to functional. I highly recommend it. ————————————————- PITFALL #1: After you have been doing ERP for a while and become somewhat successful, the OCD will try subtle little tricks to bring you down again. The first one is to tell you that your thoughts are REAL and not OCD, and therefore you can’t apply ERP therapy. Don’t fall for this trick! All thoughts are just thoughts. They are all meaningless. Don’t try to figure out what is real and what is OCD. Just treat all thoughts with ERP therapy. PITFALL #2: The second pitfall is that OCD will tell you that you can’t move forward unless you have absolute certainty that you will be safe. Hate to tell you this, folks, but there is no certainty in life. You will never know for SURE that you or your loved ones will be “safe” from the OCD rules. Therefore, you have to move forward in the uncertainty. It’s hard, but it gets easier with time and practice. We got this, guys !!!!!!
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