update for anyone who cares 🥲

@lex012001 Thank you!!! do you know if OCD goes away? I seen a therapist on tik tok saying she’s completely cured!

@Sonia ☮️ So the stats for ocd being cured are rubbish if you look them up. If you see them tell them to f off and say that isn't you. You'll be better. Therapy helps loads. As for a cure, that's what I'm striving for and I think it's achievable. Aiming for remission currently as a stepping stone as that is possible with therapy. Go for it! 😊

@Invalid Yeah, "cure" isn't an accurate description because OCD is chronic. That said, it is possible to ERP your way into remission. At a certain point, symptoms can decrease to the extent that you no longer qualify for the OCD diagnosis. It is no longer a disorder when it stops interfering with your life in a significant way.

@Sonia ☮️ A cure, no. Ways to continue living with OCD and still valuing life, absolutely! Therapy helped me a lot with that and I’m doing much better because of it.

I don't believe that. Yeh sure there's no magic pill, but Ive looked into the science and everything behind how brains rewire etc and think it's an achievable goal. There will be accpetions if something physical like an illness caused a chemical imbalance in the brain though which may prevent that though. Mines just trauma and I can rewire my brain

@Invalid Same here! Just trauma

Ocd is different than just thoughts though. It's a brain disorder. The way I see it it's set up like an anti virus you would have on a computer. Your brain initially set it up to help prevent you getting hurt from threats that were too overwhelming and at first, and at the time it probably got you through the initial traumatic experience. Now though, it's faulty and doesn't serve a purpose and is defending you against yourself. (like brain aids). I literally couldn't recognise or feel certain emotions because my brain rewired that much, now I'm feeling them again which is crazy to think that could happen. It's like seeing colours you forgot existed. So yeh, I think if you understand it and how the brain works alongside behaviours and habits, it can be cured but it's a process.

@Invalid The disorder comes from thoughts. Well to be more precisely the emotions behind them but the struggle for OCD ppl is that we latch onto the thoughts and there for give them emotion or more attention than we need. I disagree that it’s a brain disorder or there is something faulty with one’s brain. All disorders are characterized by pattern and context. The brain is not at fault, our perception of it is. But that is not all our whole story it’s a part of the complexity that makes us individuals.

@JordTheNord Look at the neuroscience behind it and maybe you'll have a better understanding. The thoughts and emotions are what created it and the brain rewires accordingly. I think you need to do the same thing to undo it, it's just harder because your brains not the same as when it started. It's not just one thing, it's all of it. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that the brain can be rewired

@Invalid I don’t disagree with rewriting of the brain. That’s actually just another way to say what I have said. BUT the brain isn’t at fault. The rewiring is the same as rebuilding habits and how you address responses from the brain. Also, what would you define as a cure of OCD? I want to make sure I understand what you’re goal is.

@JordTheNord Complete remission is the goal. They say we'll always be at risk etc of getting it again but so is everyone else who hasn't had it before. And yeh I believe the brain isn't at fault, but ocd is also more than just a mindset. Also it's none of our faults that we have it in the first place. Not a single one of us are at fault for having it

@Invalid Understand the goal. And I agree. Why do you think OCD is more than a mindset?

@JordTheNord Because of the neuroscience. I'll get the video that can explain it

@Invalid I’ve personally watched many neuroscience videos. All they do is explain things in a different way. Neuroscience is a mindset. I feel that you possibly might be separating things that are one in the same. Just as the ppl studying these things seem to do. They also attribute the left brain as vicious and dominant over the right brain. That is completely opinion and how they interpret findings. Neuroscience is a point of view. Just as looking at the same object with a microscope, magnifying glass, and the naked eye. You will be getting a different look but they are all correct. It’s the point of view. Neuroscience is a way to describe what is happening in a mindset. I still look forward to the video and will watch it and will let you know if my understanding changes.

@JordTheNord I've linked it but will link another. Not to do with ocd specifically but this guy has scanned over 250,000 brains and knows a thing or 2. Was an interesting podcast

@JordTheNord https://youtu.be/oMwAN30FJAQ?feature=shared This helped me understand more. Also, what I've done based on this knowledge along with therapy seems to be working. I fully plan on helping others come through ocd when I achieve my goal and make sure its stuck

@Invalid Thanks again for another video. Haven’t watched it yet. That’s great that it’s working for you! I’m actually only on this app to help others and to just listen because I’ve reached the “cure” so to speak that you’re going after yourself. The only thing I was disagreeing with if that you feel your point of view is it and another point of view doesn’t exist. Kind of like I see a cat’s butt sticking out from a bush and someone on the other side of the bush sees the cat’s head. Now we are both seeing the same thing but what we are seeing is different based on where we are looking at it.

@JordTheNord Yeh its a trait of mine. Dunno if it's good or bad 🤣

@Invalid Use to follow this guy on IG. Some good information. He’s got a take on getting ppl off meds that other ppl in his field disagree with. I respect that. I agree with him.

@JordTheNord He helped me figure out what I needed to get a "balanced brain"

@Invalid And what was that?

@JordTheNord Diet, serotonin basically as it allows us to use the indirect pathway more instead of the fight or flight system. The behaviour and habits go in tandem with the chemical make up of what's needed

@Invalid I agree! Great sleep and diet helps the body and mind for sure. However from experience I know unhealthy ppl in the sense of diet that do not suffer from depression, OCD, and or low self esteem. Very confident and happy ppl. Now I’ve have eaten very healthy and been in great shape and still suffered from depression and OCD. OCD is most likely what caused my depression. I also, know very healthy ppl that aren’t the happiest either. That’s where I think mindset and physical health aren’t cause related but more correlated. It’s just not a guarantee that if you are physically healthy that you will be happy. It helps your odds but from all the fit ppl I’ve met not one of them is a stand out “wow, this person is just so happy loving life”. For the record I have met happy fit ppl. Because obviously they do exist

@JordTheNord This is so interesting. Maybe it's the motivation behind what they do and where they are currently in life. You can get fit and rich but with no goal in mind I guess it's empty actions? With ERP I jumped right in no matter how uncomfortable I got. I tried and tested it with everything and made mistakes. My therapist said not to do erp without a clear goal in mind or sometheto gain as its just exposure to stress which sounds like common sense but I was so fixated on getting better I didn't see that 🤣 So maybe based on everything we've both said the theme for getting better and being happy is motive, and intention. Serotonin, diet, habits etc all help but if you haven't got a goal or something driving you it might not happen. There's a few videos that explain ERP and only one clicked. Do it like you want it, and when you're done ask for more. You have a challenger and that's ocd, just need to know how to play the game against it. It will change its tactics and take many guises to get the upper hand, the road to recovery is bumpy and uncomfortable and will throw so many unexpected obstacles at you but you have to keep moving. Nobody got anywhere by standing still. Just make sure you know what destination you're roughly aiming for, even if you haven't been there before. I love all this BTW. Ive told my therapist I want to do a Ted talk once I get better with her to try help others through their personal Ocd hell. Your perspectives definitely gave me something to use. Thank you 😊

@Invalid Amen to all that. And that would be an awesome Tedtalk 🙏🏻

@Invalid Brother that’s wild! I have been undiagnosed for 27ish (give or take) years lmao.

@Invalid We also have the same profile picture 🤣😂. Life is grand my friend

@Invalid Watched the video and thank you for sharing it. Quick and simple explanation. This is my take: 1) neuroscience is not complete in understand OCD . Which could lead to false interpretations however I do stress the would COULD because doesn’t mean it’s wrong. 2) all it is doing is describing the mindset of what happens in an OCD mind and non OCD mind. Which is what I said before. 3) you even described it as a computer virus. Whose to say that neuroscience would say the same thing? However what you did do is explain in your point of view of what the neuroscience is saying. It would be similar to say that humans reproduce for electrical reasons going on in the body that propel humans to perform the act. Which could be based on fear, strength of oneself to get a suitable mate, and or the opportunity to just continue its genetics. Another way of saying all that is we reproduce because we love each other, want to raise kids and give back. Some ppl reproduce because society tells them. These things can all still be described as electrical firings of the brain and body to just have a basic function of reproducing. It’s just a different point of view.

@JordTheNord I get that. Thanks for sharing your point of view. Helped me figure something out 😊

@Invalid What did it help you figure out? Oh and my pleasure. Also, it’s great to know you want to help ppl too!

@JordTheNord What I need to do on my next therapy session. Work on active listening etc