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@JordTheNord Nathan Peterson is an expert and runs the OCD and Anxiety YouTube channel that is highly recommended by professionals.

@Nica What’s weird is I wanted to comment to you and explain why logic doesn’t work lmao. Figured you’d give me a good explanation. Also, I’ve used logic to overcome my OCD so that’s where I’m confused.

@Nica To be fair as well as much as a society needs to have order I’m not one to just believe everything someone with a piece of paper has is legit. From teachers, doctors, and therapists it doesn’t matter they have their certificate doesn’t mean they are actually qualified. However I will reiterate it doesn’t mean we should just not trust/believe anyone because there is obviously merit in that.

@Nica Just watched a short NOCD video why logic doesn’t work (couldn’t find Nathan’s video on it specifically) and I’ve read about the logic argument before and it still makes no sense to me. And I stand by that it is not explained well why logic doesn’t work when all tips to combat OCD are logical. Everything Nathan even says is logical.

@JordTheNord Until you understand the treatments nothing seems logical. That said, I believe he’s speaking to the way we fall into rumination. I mean what’s logical about a thought about hurting your buddy? When you try to break down why logic doesn’t work.

@Erick K Ohhh yes, the intrusive thoughts I’ve had… 😂 as does everyone at sone point!

@Erick K BUT you just agreed the treatments are logical. Also, the intrusive thoughts are logical why we have them and or how they are caused. Also, it’s logical why we fall into rumination. Everything makes sense and just because something doesn’t make sense at one point or we don’t see the sense in it YET doesn’t mean the sense doesn’t exist.

@Nica Replying to another comment I reread my first comment to this and saw that I might have misconstrued my message 😅 so sorry if it was off pudding. But just to clarify is that I was going to just ask you “can you explain why logic doesn’t work” and no matter what the response was even if I didn’t agree with it I know it’ll be a good response. And then of course I finish with I have used logic to overcome mine that’s where I’m confused, that remains the same lol. So sorry if it came out a way because rereading I was like hmm I didn’t like how it sounded so I’m sorry if it did. 🙏🏻

@JordTheNord The treatments make sense when you understand doing compulsions in any way, shape, or form don’t work and only make things worse. Instead, you need to learn to let go of the need to control OCD and make it behave, stay present, and not interact with it. We as humans are used to trying to figure things out because we do have a rational side, but you can’t do that with intrusive thoughts, feelings, and urges—that’s why they are intrusive. You might have a different idea of logic and that might be where you’re getting tripped up.

@Nica That all is logical to me 🧐. Understanding why humans have intrusive or irrational behavior is logical and understanding it we came up with all that is used in treatment. It just seems that logic would only be present once it’s known but when ppl say they use logic it would depend on how and even if their “logic” is valid in tackling said problem. It’s logical why we do compulsions. Also, logical on why they don’t work, long term anyway. I guess if I’m just not seeing it I’m not seeing it but everything that anybody has said on here that is useful even the plethora of useful knowledge you have given to ppl is logical. I guess an example from me would be is: it’s logical to take a car to get form A to B. However more information is needed. It’s not logical to use a car if it has no gas. So certain parts of information, tactics, facts, won’t work unless more are there to paint a clear picture and to include them i the problem. It’s not just simple. It’s based in context and all information is present which is hard. Which is why all of humans stumble, fall, make mistakes. But just because we don’t understand something or don’t “see” it, it doesn’t mean it’s not plausible. We need more parts to understand. Which is what all the tips are for. I hope that makes sense but again if I’m not getting it I’m not getting lol. Thank you though for explaining. Like I said you always give good responses 😊