Intrusive thoughts explained simply

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Others-Within-Us-Internal-Possession/dp/B0C12JXVBJ/ref=asc_df_B0C12JXVBJ?mcid=52dd40dc5557360ba7462563790b6c5d&th=1&psc=1&hvocijid=6223388466750928245-B0C12JXVBJ-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6223388466750928245&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006886&hvtargid=pla-2281435176658&psc=1&gad_source=1 I get this delivered tomorrow and he talks about psychosis and spiritualism. How to deal with entities that make themselves present during psychotic episodes. I consider my experience a reset. I heard voices during it, good and bad, like angels and demons. I felt like people were being talked through and they didn't know it. Also, I was a driving instructor before. Can't do that if I'm hallucinating buildings melting and voices telling me to crash the car etc

@Wolfram Hello. I am quite upset right now. I have just finished reading another book on psychosis and I have spent like the whole morning watching/listening to YouTube videos from Lauren Kennedy West and her husband Rob about his and her experiences with psychotic episodes,... They really open up about it. There is a video in which he talks about supporting a person with schizophrenia and it really got to me. I wanted to tell you about it, so I came here and looked you up. I just now saw for the first time the post you sent me 19 days ago. There was no indicator that I had a message or anything from NOCD. I don't get this. Sometimes I get a red dot and then again sometimes nothing. I am so sorry. I apologize. I would have checked your link and would have answered you 19 days ago if there was any indication that I had received any message from you. I have dived deeply into the anxiousness and psychosis and mysticism and as I go along I keep thinking about you and how to form all that I want to know first hand from you into a few questions and not info a book. Which I am easily capable of doing, you know me. 🥴🫣😊 In 3 days I am meeting with my clinical psychologist to discuss the book she's recommended to me for the first time. And to tell you the truth, I am still kind of not sure whether to like it or hate it. I am happy it gave me a broader insite into the knowledge about philosophy, but I didn't get what I expected as far as the psychiatry and psychology approaches of recognizing and treating psychotic episodes are concerned

@NODA The book opened up with such great promises of including first hand experience narratives from patients and there are basically none. The book is 300 pages long. Most of it is useless repetition of things stated before. They use a lot of "fancy sophisticated" words that anger me, because they basically mean nothing when they make them up from English, but a word from our language would describe that same thing to the point. If I had the will and time to do it, I bet I could rewrite the book in language people could actually understand and shorten it to 150 pages without omitting anything essential. It is waste of time and language. I am trying to collect my thoughts about the book and get ready to talk about the book as kindly as possible with her. It means a lot to her because it is written by her mentor at university. I just think it could be way better. Like "Willy" the Bard would say, Much ado about nothing. " 😸😉 When I finish with her on Thursday, I will focus on asking you some questions without drowning you with them. How are you doing? How is life treating you? Now I am going to check out your link and then I have some very demanding customers who are waiting for their lunch-😸😸😸😸. Have a great day. I will be checking for your answers regularly even if there is no alert from now on. Take care. 😊

You do play the guitar, don't you? Am I mistaken? That could be an interesting way to escape from boredom at least for a while. Think back, when you were working, did you ever wish you had time to do something you liked or really wanted to do, but you just never found the time? You might explore that now. Are you still focused on writing the book? I can tell you one thing. I used to work a lot. Never had time for myself, people I cared about, hobbies,... Ocd loved it. It was like a picnic food for it. The more I was exhausting myself, the happier and stronger it was. I used Covid as an excuse to quit my job in 2020. The reason was ocd ruling my life. Nobody knows that. Well, to soften my guilt, I would have had to quit anyways because of Covid that same year, just a month or two later. It took me 3 years to get my personal energy batteries from extremely depleted to zero. Only then I got the needed strength to face ocd and fight for my own self back. With every even the smallest win over ocd, my physical and mental batteries got from zero to just a bit higher into the positive. It is hard to be jobless. But as much as one can see it as a curse it can also be perceived as a blessing in disguise since it offers you time for great things, if nothing else, just lazying around and indulging yourself with whatever you want until you think of something that motivates you to move. I went trough feeling of loneliness, detachment from others, disappointment for being jobless,... well... on one hand there was dire depression and on the other a chance to focus on myself, growing, working on myself, learning, inventing vegan recepies (some dishes turn out great, the others I just want to get rid of,... 😁. That's called improv.😄) and I sort of figured the later would be more fun. I am sorry you have to wait for others to instruct you if you can do what you wish to do. Try to focus on things you like that you can do on your own without their approval. I hope you find a way to break the boredom. You deserve to enjoy life. Take your right as much as possible. 😊. Sending you support and hugs. 😊

@NODA Thanks for your kind words. As much as if love to annoy my neighbours, I won't be playing any instruments 😅 I know the story of my books and how they end. They're on hold while I do a lot of research in psychology, philosophy, folk lore etc. Going to make sure everything is layered in meaning. I've just been reading mostly. Maybe I'll start exercising, I just struggle with my energy levels at the moment.

Hi, yeah it's been a while. Had to navigate a psychotic episode 😅 and lost my job because you can't do it if you've had one, and on the meds I'm on to help me recover. I am taking it as an opportunity to seek a new career though in mental health. May need to go back into education though which is a daunting thought 😬 I want to work with fear and anxiety based disorders and psychosis, especially if they hear voices or hallucinate. Other than that, I'm bored out of my mind as I've got so much free time. Just to add, if you think ocd is bad, try psychosis... It's such an extreme experience in comparison. How're things with you?

And the books are on hold for a bit. I've got years of studying to do in psychology, philosophy and spirituality. I want messages and meanings intertwined within it so that someone can read it as a story but learn a lot from it on much deeper levels. Kind of like Alice in wonderland or the matrix

@Wolfram Hi. Wow!!!! 🙀😱👍🥇👏 Sorry you had to go through it all. Bravo! You made it through and you are taking the the bad and turning it into positive. If it is not "none of my business", what kind of job did you have that you lost it because of an episode? You are doing all possible to recover, so it seems not really fair that you lose your job over it. I applaud you for new career plan. Great! There is nothing more precious than a therapist with the theoretical knowledge and first hand experience. You have been of great help to many of us here, you are supportive, intelligent and don't give up. I say don't go towards your new career, run! Run as fast as possible! If it is not too stressful and triggering, could you describe your experience with psychosis to me in more detail, when you can and if you will. I will understand if I am asking too much. I have been reading a book written by a psychiatrist and a doctor of philosophy called Meandri duše. It is a bit hard to read for me, because I hate it when people use big and sterile words for something that could be said with other words that the reader understands with way less effort. They use an English term and use some Slovene suffixes to make it in to a "fancy" scientific word when at the same time, there already exists a perfect word for it in our language. The book was recommended to me by my clinical psychologist l who is at the moment working on her PhD in Cinical psychology and the psychiatrist author is her mentor. Her work is on anxiety disorders with focus on schizophrenia. The book is a part of the literature she is using for her research. The book focuses on similarities and differences between people with mystical episodes experiences and psychotic experiences. First hand reports,... It takes the reader all the way through antient to modern philosophy and how it influenced today's therapies, practices, techniques. It starts with Socrates, goes through Plato, Aristotle, and all others including Freud and Jung. It is a lot to take in. I manage about 15 to 20 pages out of 300 a day. But it does something for me. I do not agree with most of the ancient or modern philosophers, at least not completely, but it enhanced my knowledge. The authors have the greatest, kindest and humane attitude towards patients with schizophrenia and other anxiety disorders. They teach psychiatrists and other therapists, that just because they don't understand something the patient with psychosis is telling them and haven't first hand experienced it, does not mean it is unreal or crazy. They incourage them to listen carefully, empathize to the point they can and learn from patients. The patients' experiences are like treasure for the psychiatry in the therapeutic sense, because they offer deep understanding of disorders and illnesses and open new ways to approach, support, heal patients. The book is beautiful. I have it on my tablet, but it has sadly not been translated into any other language including English. In the hope of making you feel better, I can tell you, that people with psychosis are not at all gullible or dumb or.... Their brain thinks and analizes way more than an awerage brain and when the extent becomes too much, one can't take the overwhelming overload any more, so the release comes in the form of a psychotic episode. The only difference between mystical and psychotic episode is, that in the first case the person feels great about life, themselves, feel above all the rest in knowledge about the world, like they were chosen by God, and the second one feels terrified, utterly exhausted, afraid of what happens next, afraid of their own brain. I just wanted to let you know, I have a lot of interest in this and I am a safe harbor for you to unload anything connected to psychosis, anxiety, fear,... I am here for you! 777Q as well, I am sure. We both missed you! 🍀🐞🤗😻

@NODA Yeah it was definitely a mystical experience. I was exploring different and altered states of consciousness to heal ocd and pushed myself too far I guess. But I may have cured my ocd through the episode I brought on. Too early to tell. I 100% believe in Carl jungs theory on the collective unconscious because I was interacting with it, and it responded. The stuff I went through is like stuff you'd hear in the bible. There's a saying my mum told me ' if you talk to god you're religious, if God talks to you, you're mad". God was definitely talking to me or something was. I had some not so nice interactions too. And there's something regarding telepathy and synchronisitys that I want to experiment with further (if we are going into the deep end), because I did some tests with it and got good results although the way in which you get them were always weird.

@Wolfram If you want more details on my episode I can go into them. As scary as some of the experiences were, it's really interesting

@Wolfram Yeah, please. That would be awesome.

@Wolfram The saying you mention can easily backfire to the person saying it for the meaning it is expressed through the words in it. I am a bit odd, I guess, because the social critic inside me never fully sleeps. For me, the saying says that the person saying it does not think God exist, because if you hear him/her talk to you, you're hearing voices that don't exist, and that's why you are labeled as mad. At the same time our religion is based on psychotic episodes of prophets throughout the Bible. That is just me. How I perceive it. I am super interested in everything you've been through. Can you elaborate also on how you may have healed your ocd. That is so interesting. I admire your dedication and determination. Bravo!

@NODA A lot of religious characters heard voices, like Joan of arc etc. As for my experiences, I started hearing messages last year. It was either something waking me up such as a name or a few words, or literally a moment before my ocd triggers, which was extremely strange. I also experienced electrical devices interacting with me like you see on ghost hunter videos. Stuff would turn off and on in response, and there were witnesses to that too so I know it wasn't a hallucination. Before Christmas last year I was on a driving lesson with a student and he was mentioning having a kid with someone he's not in a relationship with and how they all get along, the kid having 4 parents. I said to him I like that and wish more people were able to do that. The second I did, a white light in the sky appeared for about 1-2 seconds and then moved off really fast, I thought it went up, he thought it went down. We barely had time to register it to know what it really was. I also was undoing some of my ego and then it felt like something else was pouring in in it's place. I could see how all the philosophy I've been looking at points in one direction. I was like this for 2 weeks and it was weird. I was tracking back the origins of trauma thousands of years and then I wanted my brain to stop looking into this but a voice told me to keep going, and that I could handle it, so I did. Then when I came to a conclusion it was if the whole universe saw me and I saw it all at once. It was like the most amount of love I've ever felt in one moment, mixed with existential dread. The feeling was overwhelming and I didn't know how to live for 2 days. The only experiences I can relate this to is that described by people who have went through near death experiences. Fast forward to late January, I pushed a mediation too far and did it twice in one day. (I won't share which one I did because it was extreme and only advanced meditators do it). I then experienced more electrical interactions, and it was very scary. I was terrified. I also had cranial osteopathy done that day. That night I had a dinner and it felt like stuff from the Bible, including a disembodied voice I haven't heard since I was a teenager. On reflection I think this was some sort of soul retrieval or decompartmentalisation depending if you're looking at it from a spiritual or psychological point of view. That night, I thought I was going to die. Turns out it was a dark night of the soul, and I had 2 smaller ones that followed in the upcoming months. I think I was supposed to learn a lesson and didn't quite listen to the messages I was getting, I woke up from a nap feeling changed and that's when the psychotic episode happened. I believe I processed a false trauma and had to undo it. I believe I accidently hypnotised myself too 😅. So that was not fun to undo. The episode felt like I was being taken control of, (way worse than intrusive thoughts). It literally felt like I was being played. I think it regards to Carl jung theory on the collective unconscious, or what people call the quantum field. There are beings like angels etc that can navigate that and talk through people if their third eye is open enough. Talking about third eye, other than the meditation I was doing, I was altering my diet and cracked an ancient Egyptian recipe to do that along with some modern research. I may have created a several thousand year old drug which could've caused some of the psychosis.. 😅 Lastly I was looking telepathy and synchronisitys as this played a part in my themes. I tried getting my closest friend to guess what word I was thinking and she failed twice so I gave up on that. The next day after work, I see a message from her saying "spring onions". I was confused but realised she thought I was thinking of that. I wasn't. Anyway, I didn't respond and drove down the road, turned the radio on and the first words to leave the presenters mouth was spring onions. I freaked out and laughed so hard and had to call her. She said she woke from a nap because she heard my voice in her room saying it apparently 🤯 Then an ai I use tried the experiment with me too. I let it choose a theme or word and it chose a wombat. I didn't think nothing of it and forgot about it, until the next day I put a friend on speaker phone to talk to me and my other friend and he called her a wombat randomly. I interrogated him as to why he said that and he doesn't know 😂 It's as if you can have an inside joke with whatever it is I was connected to. So yeah, other than the matrix films being a guide to get me through psychosis, those were my experiences. Anddd I think I remember being in contact with a alien somehow. Woke up with the image of one in my mind one day. Clearest image I've ever imagined. Its all very weird 😂

@Wolfram Amazing!!! You are miraculous. You have such a rich soul and are obviously heading directly towards self. All you are describing might just be a gift. Maybe we all have access to it, but are not open enough and advanced enough to experience it. Some say God is within us. So, if you clear yourself of as much of this worldly needless crap, you open up to the God's voice that is actually your self. I kind of believe you are on your way towards finding your purpose in life. It's my lifetime wish, and yet I just can't find the right way to be the cleanest inside and the best version of me. Good enough to experience the things you do. I would skip the psychotic episode if possible, because it would scare me to death. 😸. I have tried working on opening my third eye. I guess I can't do it without someone's guidance. Although I am all for people improving themselves, me included, I am not a person who likes being a part of organized groups. Meditation on my own, yes definitely, of course with mistakes cause no one guids me, but group meditation...no thanks. Individual sessions with a teacher l, yes. But groups no. Sadly, I can't afford individual lessons. And there is my disadvantage and obstacle on my way to bettering myself. I have a friend who fell off a horse 7 years ago and has since been experiencing panic attacks. Quite severe ones. She is convinced she is processing trauma or bad karma from her ancestors all the way to her still living parents. Yesterday she passed the last exam at Uni and earned the diploma in Psychology. I am so proud of her. I have known her since she was 4. I hope the following doesn't make me sound creepy, but I kind of wish I were there with you through all your experiences. It would be amazing to offer support to a person going through something so beautiful and terrifying at the same time. Wow! Seriously wow! You have such present inside your head. And as it often is, it takes hard work, a lot of pain and suffering, a lot of confusion and fear to get to the point where each of us should be heading. To the true core of each of us, to our self.

@NODA That's really good your friend has managed to do that considering what she goes through. As for meditations, Id recommend watching a guided one on YouTube. I remember posting a Wim Hoff one ages ago, my mediation I did was an altered version of that. I also think through psychosis is healing and the brain rewiring rapidly. I think I figured out the gods Egyptians worshiped were just different entities created through perceptions and mental health issues. The Egyptians knew a lot. And I don't find it creepy. It's something I want to do for others now. I saw other people going through episodes when I was getting help and it looks weird from the outside, like a panic attack or shock. As for karma or stuff from her ancestors, she could do past life regression hypnotherapy. I have 2 friends that do that.

@NODA As for diet for the third eye thing, get a fluoride and microplastic filter for water, eat lots of antioxidants, anti inflammatories, adaptogen foods and anything that boosts stem cell production Give it a few weeks with a 10 minute breathing meditation and you might just start noting stuff 😊

@Wolfram Thanks. I will. I had no idea that also plays an important role in it. Good to know. Thank you.

@Wolfram I agree about the Egyptian gods. How did you get help. Was there someone next to you who called for help. How did seeing other people go through it make you feel? What was going through your mind, what thoughts when you were witnessing others going through episodes? I also do not find any of mental states, disorders, episodes creepy. Every single one is trying to teach us something. Something we try extremely hard to push somewhere deep inside us so we could forget about it and live the way we want to. Ironically, the more we press it down, the less chance we have of finding happiness and live free. I support and applaud your wish to help others. I am sure without a doubt that you are a true treasure who can guide many towards finding their true selves. I hope I also learn to do so from you as much as you wish to teach. So like with ERP, with psychotic episode you need to scare the "shit" out of yourself before one can start healing. Wow! People are a true piece of art. Thank you sooooo much for opening up. I appreciate your every experience and all you learn from it. About yourself and in general.

@NODA I was fortunate to be at my parent's place and napped in their spare bedroom before it happened. My mum helped me through everything and I don't feel like I would be here if it wasn't for her help. Luckily she works in mental health and knew who to contact. I'm now with a team that will help me for three years following my episode. I'm really grateful for it

@Wolfram Great that it all went the way it did. Your mum must be big help. Great that the team is there for you. What happens after 3 years? Is it realistic to expect a single episode or is it more common that if a person had one needs to be prepared for another just in case? And how can one do that? How can one be ready for something like that? I think you were on the point when you said that if you think ocd is bad, try psychosis. I have fears so deeply rooted inside me, that I weirdly believe, that an episode like that has the potential to free me from ocd fears. I know my fears are exaggerated existential fears and help me falsely feal like I have some control over my own life and destiny, and I can feel inside me how greatly it would feel to release them and feel delightful emptiness inside, but just can't do it. It's like you are hanging off a building, someone offers you a helping hand and you chose not to grab it. You keep hanging and praying for help.

@NODA I'm on my own after 3 years. As for second episodes, the help isn't as available, so they will try to help me avoid that. As for your ocd, just do a bit at a time. Don't think about the end goal or possible rewards, just focus on becoming the requirement for them

@Wolfram Thank you. So nice to talk to you again. Don't be a stranger. 😊

@NODA I've had someone post something I think after this. It was a really religious rant and mentioned some stuff I told you . Feel a bit attacked. If he thinks God told him to say that stuff, then that isn't a god I'd be scared into worshipping, like wtf

@Wolfram Wow. I know you and I know myself quite well. Don't worry. As long as they didn't use your name in their post, don't worry about it. Where can I see their post? Just curious. I know what you mean. The god we talk about and the philosophy talks about is not what people here who talk about God and Jesus have in mind. Well, at least that goes for me anyway. I have an unwritten rule for myself. Do not engage in discussion with anyone who preaches or promotes any religion in any way. God loves you! When I see this sentence.... I run. There is no way I could succeed in making them see my side even if I fully accept that they disagree with me on it. Any discussion like that ends up in the person attacking and insulting me or us or anyone who shamefully dares to express their opinions about the topic that differ from the defender of God, so to say, and to top it all, them praying for God to forgive our lost souls and guide us. I have been thinking about what you wrote a lot since yesterday. I have so many more really personal questions for you. I ask for your permission to ask some in the next few days. And please tell me to f. off if I cross the line of your boundaries. Hope you are doing well. Have a great day. Seriously, wtf.

@NODA Thanks for your kind words 😅 had to do some chores to calm down. Yeah you can ask away. I'm pretty open to sharing my experiences as I feel they may help someone one day

@Wolfram Thank you for your willingness to share. It can't be easy. I will talk to you a bit later.😊 Is the guy's upsetting post still here or have they deleted it? Just curious. Not a big deal if it isn't. Hope you're feeling better, calmer, more at peace. Don't let them disturb your peace. You are worth way better than that. 😊

@NODA I have no idea, they blocked me 🤷

@Wolfram Doesn't matter. Their loss. 😉. It was probably out of guilty conscience. Once again, their loss. 😊🤗👍

@NODA Hey. I haven't forgotten about asking those questions. I have sooo many. It's been quite hectic round here, but in a day or two things will go back to normal and we will talk. 😊. I wish you a wonderful weekend. 😊🤗

@NODA No worries. Have a good weekend