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I hate to say this Cami, I know that you want your posts to reflect your thoughts so that your thought process can be understood, but they're not always very clear. You're too vague about what you are referring to, and it's not always easy to see what order the events happened in, it can be very confusing to try to follow. It makes it difficult for people to offer advice, because we don't want to interpret wrong and leave you feeling invalidated or misunderstood. It might help if you try to split events into individual points and specifically say what you're referring to. I can try writing your post in that way, I might be wrong in my interpretation as I've had to do a lot of guessing about what you mean but I'll leave blanks. I have a problem. I had a thought about _______, and it confused me because _______. It made me feel _______. After that, I realised that the thought I had is considered normal. So I decided that I could stop feeling _____ and let myself enjoy the thought. This experience made me see that it's possible for me to give myself permission to enjoy a thought. And that is making me worry that perhaps it's also possible for me to choose to enjoy a thought that I consider morally wrong. I am worried that maybe it's only ME who has had this experience of deciding that it's okay to enjoy a thought, and therefore that it's only me who would be able to choose to enjoy a thought which I find morally wrong. I'm worried that if this is true, then perhaps it says something negative about me or about my morality.
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Wow — good job!!!
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@pureolife It was like doing a tongue twister but for my brain :P I think I'm on the right sort of track with it.
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Cheers
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Well done
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If my interpretation of your post was correct, then this is my answer: Everybody can choose to/give themselves permission to enjoy something. Including "bad thoughts". Sometimes when somebody really annoys me, I rant about them in my head and stew in how much I dislike them. Although those thoughts could be considered "negative" or judgemental or rude or unfair, I often give myself permission to enjoy the thoughts, at least for a while. My thoughts aren't hurting that person in any way. I give myself permission to deeply enjoy my i-absolutely-hate-that-pompous-asshole feelings. They're delicious. It doesn't make me a bad person.
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I really really don't want to enjoy them, I really not, really really really not. Its make me anxious
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@cami0102 That sounds hard. Well, I think part of the problem might be that you're so strongly against them. Probably because you disagree with them so much, it makes you worry about the thoughts all the time (like you described in this post) and makes them feel like a big threat. I'm not going to ask you to enjoy the thoughts. But you're so scared that you might enjoy them that you're trying to get rid of them and responding to them with a lot of fear. That fear causes your brain to think that the thoughts are important, that's why it keeps giving you them. If you want the thoughts to go away, try to stop responding to them quite so strongly and thinking about them all the time. You have to act like they're not important, so that your brain will believe it. Maybe the next time you have a thought about it, you can take some deep slow breaths instead of worrying about what it means. Not trying to get rid of the thoughts or argue with them or find out what they mean, feels pretty scary. But over time, it will make them go away. Fighting them makes it worse :(
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@Louw That's what I have been trying for 3 days now and sometimes it's hard but I'm not going to give up, thanks for your help, I really understand a lot.
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@cami0102 Keep at it! This is just a hiccup, they happen to all of us, it's not a disaster. You have this worry from this unanswered question in your post but you don't need to solve it. It's just a "what if". It feels urgent and important but it isn't. I find that promising myself "I will work out the answer to that question later on, but not right this moment" actually works very well. Later on maybe I'm not so anxious about the topic that I need to solve it anymore. It gives me some of my life and time back. Just say "I WILL figure this out, but not right now".
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Thanks louw you helped me as well with your explanation. Can i grab you for some advice with respect to one of my obsessions. I am ocd about being ocd. Waking up in the morning is the worst because as soon as i jump out of bed i start thinking about something. I am confused whether this is normal thinking or am i experiencing a compulsion. Its as though i am reminding myself to think about something. Because of this phobia my ocd keeps telling me to stop thinking. That could b the right thing to do if it is in fact a compulsion. If its just normal thinking than i should leave myself alone.
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Gotcha. Well, when we all wake up in the morning, we start thinking. Brains do tend to do that. But do you find that as soon as you wake up you are thinking about a specific topic you are obsessed with? As that would be a compulsion :)
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Hmmmm. Th a ts a good point. I find i am always on my case as to whether something is a compulsion or not. I seem to be afraid i should b resisting these thoughts because a part of me thinks there compulsions. Im afraid of not using the right technique to overcome my obsessions. Its a very confusing theme. I guess i can say....i dont know if this is a compulsion...but for now i will act as if it is and resist further thoughts
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OCD about OCD sounds like a very hard thing to live with. A therapist or the people here can help you to identify whether something is a compulsion. To qualify, generally a mental compulsion has to be something to do in order to reduce anxiety caused by a genuine persistent obsession. Examples of mental compulsions might be self-reassurance about a scary topic you are extremely afraid of, or repeatedly imagining the same unpleasant future scenarios in order to feel prepared for the chance they might happen. Nonetheless, if you do have other OCDs as well as your OCD about treating OCD, it's possible to treat both at the same time. For people with OCD about OCD, they will often try to do ERP all the time and it becomes a compulsion. This can mean worrying that regular anxieties or discomforts or even normal thoughts need to be treated with ERP, as you described here, and often means that ERP is attempted immediately in order to reassure that anxiety about having untreated OCDs. The way to treat your other OCD without it being this meta-OCD, is to do ERP only for compulsions which 1) are definitely compulsions about obsessions- you should check with your therapist or others to confirm And 2) negatively affect your life by taking up your time or making you miserable or harming you in another way. You should only do the ERP for these things when you AREN'T feeling that you desperately need to do it immediately or in order to reassure worries like "what if I will have OCD forever/am not treating it enough/am doing a compulsion right now?". You should only do ERP at times when you don't feel like doing it! It should be unpleasant rather than reassuring. If you struggle to identify whether you're doing ERP as a compulsion or not, it can help to set a schedule. This means something like setting an alarm for twice a day when you will do specific, deliberate exposures and response prevention for specific OCDs that you have identified with the help of your therapist or others. All other times of the day, you're not allowed to do ERP. This should ensure that you're doing ERP appropriately :)
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@Louw When you get those worried feelings like "what if I will have OCD forever/am not treating it enough/am doing a compulsion right now?", you must try hard not to follow the urge to do ERP at that moment. You can wait and do ERP for your OCDs at a time when you're not anxious in this way. It won't be the end of the world if taking this attitude means that you actually do allow other OCDs to happen without treating them sometimes. ERP doesn't need to be done perfectly or every single time in order to work. You can have mistakes in treatment, it won't cause a disaster. It's ok to make that sacrifice in order to get on top of this OCD-about-OCD. When you get these anxious feelings telling you to immediately do ERP for things, just let yourself feel anxious about that without doing any to soothe yourself, and try not to worry and worry about whether you're doing the right thing or not. Remember, the principle is to lean into discomfort. You can do it!
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You have been very kind to spend so much time with me. I heed your advice which is very wise. I have an appointment in a month...i will see if we can figure out which are the compulsions. Thanks again and take care.
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That's fantastic that you have an appointment, I'm sure you can come up with a treatment plan with your therapist which you can have confidence in :) All the best!
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