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It's hard to offer good advice without a specific question. You say you are doing ERP. What's going well, and what is a struggle?
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Ruminating on the fear of cutting off your hand would sound like "arghh!!! I hate that thought. I'd never do that... Would I? Remember that time as a kid at camp when I burned myself on a smore, maybe that was intentional and I've just tricked myself into believing it was an accident. How can I know for sure? I'd better think some more. I had that dream about my arms falling off, maybe that's a sign. But I hate gory movies... How could I want to chop my hand off if blood disgusts me. That's good, I probably won't do it. NO I WONT do it!.... But maybe I should hide the knives just in case. My therapist says this is OCD. She's really knowledgeable, but I still have a niggling doubt. Better start googling to see if people have similar symptoms. How horrible would it be if I did ERP and then actually DID cut my hand off. Has anyone's OCD fear actually come true? Let's ask people.... I'm going to imagine it again to see if I was really scared. OH GOD!!! MY HEART DIDN'T RACE THIS TIME! that must mean it doesn't scare me. I'm gonna do it, I just know it! But I don't want to! I'll let my husband do all the cooking from now on. And do some more googling to see if the fear comes true...."
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Thank you for this, I'm pretty sure I do this quite a lot. I think some of it has gotten better with my ERP, but based on this I definitely feel like I still ruminate some. The problem for me is that it feels so automatic that I don't even always recognize that I'm doing it until I start feeling anxious and my mood drops. Do you have any tips for dealing with rumination? I think one of the best things I've tried to do is distract myself with something, which has been easier now due to me staying at home during quarantine. I know eventually I'm not always going to be able to distract myself the same way I do at home though.
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@PeachyPopsicle Shifting attention to other activities is a good way to short-circuit the rumination compulsion. The mindset you approach that with matters a lot. If your intention is to switch activities to get rid of anxiety or to avoid the task that caused distress, that isn't going to help in the long run. That distraction reinforces the belief that distress is inherently bad and that you don't have the skills to handle it. Plus, if the things you need and want to do are what triggers OCD symptoms, filling your time with distracting activities is going to interfere with your functioning just as much as filling your time with comoulsions will. In this case, distraction/procrastination becomes a compulsion. On the other hand, if you engage in activities you value while allowing the uncertainty and distress to be present, that's response prevention. You train your brain that the thoughts aren't meaningful enough to change your behavior and that you have the skill to function despite uncomfortable feelings
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Well, I'm still experiencing obsessive thoughts even though I've gotten through my entire heirarchy. My obsessions involve a story that was very triggering to my OCD and my therapist has been trying to get me to view it as not mattering whether or not it's true. I find this helpful sometimes, but sometimes even that still causes anxiety. I had stopped doing my exposures as much because I was originally improving, but after my session with my therapist this week, we realized my obsessions were still lingering and that I needed to work on exposures more regularly again. I'm trying to use some acceptance techniques and do some exposures, but the exposures my therapist and I have come up with aren't activating my anxiety anymore. I texted my therapist and am hoping she'll get back with me soon, I'm wondering if we need to come up with some new exposures. I guess I'm feeling a little stuck right now since my exposures don't seem to be working like they did previously, and I'm not entirely sure where to go from here. I feel like I never find a lot of info on existential OCD, so I wanted to see if there was anyone else who maybe had some some useful advice when it comes to recovery and if anyone has felt stuck like this in their recovery.
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You're mentioning exposures a lot, which is great. I notice you don't mention response prevention. Did you/do you have a detailed response prevention plan to put into action?
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I don't have a detailed response prevention plan, but I also don't really have any outward exposures. The only thing I really do physically that I'm aware of is researching and asking for reassurance, but for the most part I have that under control and they don't seem to be big issues for me. Those are things I really only do once in a while. Mentally, I'm sure I do some ruminating if you count that as a compulsion, although for me that seems to be difficult to differentiate from the obsession. When I do exposures I pretty much just sit with whatever I'm doing (now it's mostly scripts that I repeat to myself because that was at the top of my hierarchy) and carry out the exposure until I'm bored or it doesn't make me as anxious. My level of discomfort lately hasn't been going past a 3 much, unless I'm just having a bad day.
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Ruminating does count as a compulsion because it's an active process in response to a spontaneous thought that causes distress. If you'd like an example, I can copy and paste in an example of ruminating vs obsession. Your anxiety not spiking past a 3 is a sign that the erp is working. Remember, the goal of therapy isn't to eliminate unwanted thoughts or to get rid of all anxiety. It's to be able to have all kinds of thoughts and feelings without getting stuck in them or using repetitive behaviors to cope
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An example would be great actually. I'm not expecting therapy to completely get rid of my unwanted thoughts, I fully expect them to still be there but I'm hoping they'll be easier to dismiss and not completely throw me off. My therapist and I actually did a severity test the other day and my obsessions actually increased from last month, so I'm hoping I can still find a way to manage them better.
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Thank you, that helps put some things into perspective for me. I mainly want to switch to distraction to keep from ruminating, not necessarily avoid the thought when it comes up. I really want to get to the point where if the bothersome thought comes up, it doesn't matter and doesn't bother me like it has been. I've been trying to keep up with things I need to do and want to do, and admittedly it is sometimes a lot harder when my OCD is stronger, but I am still trying my best. I may talk to my therapist about the ruminating and see what she has to say about it.
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- OCD Conqueror
- Date posted
- 24w
I used to get caught in a loop with existential thoughts very frequently. Every question made my stomach drop: (TW: existential questions) … … ... "Why does anything exist at all? What will death be like? Is anything even real? Is there any meaning to this? Is the universe infinitely big, and if not, what's beyond it? Are there multiverses? Has the universe been around forever? Will the universe end for good, or will it keep going forever? What is forever like? What even IS reality?" It would get so overwhelming that I remember lying on the floor in a fetal position for hours because I felt like there was no escape. I spent most of my days reading articles and watching videos about theoretical astrophysics and philosophy in a desperate attempt to "figure it all out." Of course that only made me more anxious, raised more questions, and kept me trapped in the cycle. Things started to improve once I learned to turn TOWARD reality, rather than away from it, and ERP really helped me do that. I learned that these questions weren't the problem. I learned that I can actually handle the anxiety that arises when exposed to these ideas and concepts. I don't have to figure anything out to make the anxiety go away; it arises and passes away on its own. Ironically, bringing myself into the present moment and becoming more aware of reality helped me escape the cycle of existential dread. Because of that, this topic no longer takes over my life. If I'm triggered by something I see, hear, or think, I may still feel a little twang of anxiety, but then it just goes away. "Maybe, maybe not" has been the single most useful phrase of my life. Do you ever get trapped in a cycle of existential questions? Are you worried that the ERP approach would be too scary to handle? If so, I'm happy to give my advice.
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- Therapist
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- 23w
I was just thinking about how OCD tries to be tricky and switches themes on us!! The amount of times I have said to myself in the past, IF ONLY I HAD THE OLDER THEME I USE TO WORRY ABOUT BECAUSE THIS NEW ONE IS SO MUCH WORSE!!! Has anyone ever experienced this before? Once I started ERP therapy, I began to really start understanding what mental/physical compulsions I was doing to really keep my OCD alive! While I did this, I would also tap into my self-compassion bucket, even when it felt like it was dry at times, because it was SO easy to judge myself for because of the sheer presence of my thoughts. I would also have the most self-compassion for myself for those taboo intrusive thoughts that really felt so strong, ego-dystonic and real!!! My OCD would hop around from theme to theme and just when I thought I figured it out (compulsion) it would hop again and make me discouraged! I noticed for me that once I really understood my compulsions, it didn't matter when the theme switched as I could tackle it at its core. If I was able to stay steadfast and resist compulsions the best I could, I started to notice that my CONFIDENCE increased in the long run! I also noticed that some of the core fears were the same for different OCD subtypes. OCD treatment is hard BUT living with OCD is harder. I have experienced subtypes including Harm OCD, ROCD, Moral Scrupulosity, Sensorimotor, Contamination, Perfectionism/Just Right, Hit and Run, Magical Thinking, Real Event/False Memory. ERP therapy allowed me to really work on stopping these compulsions and switching from theme to theme. I was fed up with what OCD took from me and I needed to do something about it. I talked to an ERP therapist and it was one of the best decisions of my life. If you are struggling, keep pushing and get the help you deserve!! You got this!!!
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- 21w
This is my first post, so I apologize if the formatting is weird. I experience existential ocd I always struggled as a kid but learned more and more how to manage with school and such forcing me to learn how, now I experience a lot of overwhelming intrusions from when I wake up to when I go to bed (simply because I live and work in the same place it gets cabin feverish) but now more often going out maybe it’s just paranoia, I walk into a place and each person comes with a story immediately, every piece of trash on the floor, every piece of produce, each isle is a brand new way I could get into a life altering situation. I’ve managed well enough but sometimes I just completely lose my original objective and just leave or I’ll wanna leave my house but everything that goes with it and that could happen pops up and I just won’t go. It’s started to become avoidant behavior. Any help or similar stories? I just feel like I’m going crazy but my thoughts are so scattered and immediate it’s hard to break the habit and not spin a story. Thank yall!
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