Hey friends! Just seeing if anyone here has been/is on a Ketogenic/Carnivore diet? Been doing research on this topic for awhile now. Some doctors and psychiatrists are coming to a conclusion that psychiatric disorders may be autoimmune.(Leaky gut may be causing your immune system to attack itself) With that being said, I believe therapy such as ACT and ERP rank supreme in treating OCD. But I have also seen improvement while being in Ketosis. Any experiences?Just want something fun to talk about!

Yes! I’ve been through the Keto flu. I just get more irritated than anything lol. No real flu like symptoms like some people get. I keep my electrolytes up to avoid that. Have you ever heard of a woman named Charlene Anderson? She was diagnosed with Lyme disease and the only thing that seems to help her is a Carnivore diet. Her and her husband only eat meat and drink water everyday. She is doing extremely well now. (I think she has a Facebook page or just google her) I did a Carnivore diet for just 4 days, I had a birthday party that I attended and well you know cake and ice cream and pizza happened ? but for those 4 days it felt like I was in a different gear. Very interesting. My question for you is... would you consider trying a Carnivore diet? Lol. I plan on trying it for 3 months very soon.

@outdoorman Yeah, I’ve actually had heard it helping a lot of people. I was listening to Joe Rogan’s podcast and he’s had different guests on who swear by it and I know that he’s done it himself as well. The only thing I worry about is my blood sugar levels. It’s common for people with Lyme to have low blood sugar and Keto does help with it a bit, but I honestly need to do more research on Carnivore diet to see if it could possibly help! And I can relate to the temptations of going off the diet lol. It’s really difficult to maintain when you’re going to a social event.

Cool! Would you say you eat a lot of carbs and sugar right now?

@outdoorman I do moderate carbs and very low sugar. High protein.

@luchalysol Do you get majority of your carbs from veggies? And would you ever consider trying Keto? Reason I ask because most people I talk to just simply don’t like the idea of going Keto and they don’t ever give me a reason why lol. It sounds like you’re almost Keto-since you do high protein and low sugar. I don’t know how much fat you get in your diet though.

@outdoorman Most of my carbs are from rice, beans, and veggies. I don't go Keto cause I get really bad carb cravings when I go too low on them. I also love carbs too much to let them go ??

That’s something I thought too.. But after doing a lot of research and listening to podcasts it doesn’t seem all to crazy. Plus I’ve done research on regenerative agriculture where it’s completely different than factory farming which I don’t believe in. Check out Dr. Paul Saladino who is a psychiatrist who now practices functional medicine. He’s known as the Carnivore MD. Also Dr. Shawn Baker. I know it all “sounds crazy” I thought that too. I was once vegan for a short time and it made me worse. I think it was slowly wrecking my hormones. I’m not trying to convince anyone, just putting out information and because it’s fun for me to try new things!

@outdoorman Im a doctor. The brain needs glucose for functioning, if it only takes ketosic acid, it will be bad for the brain in the long-term. Maybe your OCD seems to get better because your brain is struggling to get energy, but that is absolutely not the way. Carbohidrates are our natural main source of energy, and altering the natural diet may only be good for you if you are extremely obese and need to loose weight in a non natural way

@ezel You’re a doc!? Sweet so then we can have long interesting conversations about this subject! I agree we need glucose or we die plain and simple. So that means as a physician you know where someone gets glucose when they aren’t consuming carbohydrates such as fasting.. your liver right? It’s the process called glycogenolysis. The liver also can manufacture necessary sugar or glucose by harvesting amino acids, waste products and fat byproducts. This process is called gluconeogenesis. And it’s also true if you eat a lot of protein it will convert to some glucose as well. So you don’t actually have to eat carbohydrates to get your glucose there Doc. When you say “carbohydrates are our natural main source of energy” I don’t understand that statement at all. Our ancestors didn’t survive being “farmers” they became hunters living off eating the flesh of animals, including the fat, organs and bones. I believe we discovered there were some “plants” that weren’t harmful for us so we became gatherers as well. I would argue that our ancestors were in Ketosis majority of the time. I’m not in anyway knocking your opinion, I just don’t agree. I hope you keep this debate up and message back. I love having these conversations!

@outdoorman Its called ketogenic diet because you produce ketosic acid to feed your brain, but the brain works worse that way than with glucose, its an strategy for survival but its not the optimus.

@ezel Interesting. So When carbohydrate intake is low or in periods of fasting, glucose and insulin levels will drop and the liver will produce ketones through the process of ketogenesis. The brain will use some of the carbohydrates consumed on a ketogenic diet (~5-10% of calories is the usual range of carbohydrate consumed when eating a ketogenic diet) and the rest will be produced through gluconeogenesis in the liver. This process ensures that the portions of the brain that rely on glucose will have their preferred energy substrate in times of fasting or very low carbohydrate intake. Ketone bodies (such as beta-hydroxybutyrate) can cross the blood-brain-barrier. Ketone bodies reduce reactive oxygen species (ROS), a type of by-product molecule that can react with other molecules in a cell. The build up of ROS in cells can overwhelm antioxidant activity and can cause damage to DNA, RNA, proteins and lipids. ROS have been implicated in aging, neurodegeneration and carcinogenesis (the formation of cancer). With that being said, why is a Keto diet “a strategy for survival” ?? when it seems like our brains may be less inflamed and less aged and produces more GABA and less glutamate and protects us from neurodegenerative diseases when on this diet? The certain parts of your brain that need glucose are provided with that glucose through the process of gluconeogenisis, Doc. I’m still confused when you said carbohydrates are our main source of energy? Also do you think we evolved as humans just being “farmers and gatherers”? What about hunting and eating the animals “nose to tail” for nutrition? Thank you for commenting back! This is fun!

@outdoorman Primitive humans didnt really hunt that much, it was not as frequent. Also vegetarian diets are proven to make life longer https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1710093 I think its unfair to exploit and mistreat more animals on farms to have a "carnivore"diet just for purposes that arent even realistic.

@ezel “Primitive humans didn’t really hunt that much, it was not as frequent” where did you get that information? Also I have read that article before that you sourced. My cousin is a 7th day Adventist. The problem with that article is “Healthy user bias” aka “healthy user effect” This is an example of epidemiology. is it possible these people are more likely to exercise, avoid drinking and smoking, and in general take care of themselves? My cousin does just that lol. Doesn’t smoke, drink, exercises and low stress. Ofcourse he’s going to be healthier than the average American who consumes the standard American diet. We’ve also been told for decades to avoid meat, it causes heart disease and cancer. So people that eat a lot of meat – is it possible they don’t care what the USDA says – they don’t listen to their doctor, and they are more likely to smoke, drink, not exercise or adhere to anything anyone says? I believe so. Many doctors believe this as well. If you eat a heavy meat diet, lets say 50% of your calories, that’d be considered a good amount of meat today, but the other 50% of calories are from beer and bread – that doesn’t tell me anything about meat. And like I said earlier in my post, I don’t believe in factory farming. Grass fed pasteurized animals are the way to go. Also look up regenerative agriculture, it’s better for the environment. I use to be Vegan and believe all the articles until my health wasn’t doing very well, so I started 3 years of research on this subject. Thanks for commenting back!