Can’t stop thinking about how scary death is. Wish I could be immortal. I don’t want to know what death is like, or experience the death of a loved one. I hate knowing that there’s nothing I can do about it.

Same :( my therapist said it’s just like my other obsessions cause the real problem I have with it is uncertainty

I am. If you believe that technology will, at any point in the future, be able to revive you, whether by defrosting and bringing your original tissue back to life, or by copying your brain state down to the exact atom and either uploading it or creating new precisely identical tissue which encodes the same information, then cryonics will literally save your life. They've already defrosted a whole rabbit brain with zero structural damage whatsoever, the only current problem is that the liquid they used to cool and preserve it is toxic, so they can't get it to work agaib. With nanotechnology they're looking to come up with improved nontoxic liquids to prevent this. Badda bing badda boom, sign up to get frozen as soon as you die, and get them to wake you up in the future when we've fixed ageing and whatever killed you (way less than 200 years given the current rate of technological progress). I know I'm making it sound simplistic and that it's going to make you feel skeptical that it's really that easy, and I'm here to tell you that it literally is that easy. So why don't people do it? Because it makes people look at you funny, the same way you're looking at me. Personally I think a little social stigma is worth reducing the probability that I'm going to end up Dead Forever.

@Scoggy I have just gained the biggest existential crisis in years 😂

@akira1984 Sorry about that. But I really feel strongly about what I wrote. If I can convince even 1 person to sign up to cryonics, it's worth any amount of time spent on the effort.

@Scoggy It's normal to be scared of death and there's billions of people that experienced I honestly don't know why anyone would wanna live longer in this terrible world

@akira1984 Technically, nobody has ever experienced being dead, as there's no 'you' there to experience it. I could list a few reasons for staying alive as long as possible if you like. 1. The world in the future will be better than in the past, as evidenced by literally all of history. The trend, which I expect to continue, has been better quality of life, better healthcare, less poverty, less hunger, more global community, more opportunity and more fun. 2. You dying would be painful for other people, and annihilate your potential, permanently 3. In the easily forseeable future, there WILL be cures for OCD, depression, schizophrenia and other chronic and neurodegenerative illnesses. 4. The sheer opportunity of it. Mining comets and colonising other planets. Inventing things. Loving and being loved. Collaboration. Music, food, art. Learning and learning and learning. Making other people's lives better. Increasingly deep connections. Ending all suffering. Etc. I guess you're a glass half empty kinda guy, but if for just a day, you could experience being someone very happy, someone who wants to live, then you'd understand that there are other perspectives which aren't ignoring the things you dislike about reality, they can just see that there is more which makes it worth it.

@Scoggy You do know people have being saying that for centuries and it's still not a reality people thought 2020 will have self driving cars and the average life expectancy would be a 100 and every move of ur would be tracked but there's also negative things about the future like global warming corrupt government and many more what you said was a dream I doubt the world will improve with this child trafficking and the elites but if you are ready to be blind while everything bad that will happen then it's up to you be blind

@akira1984 OH sorry didn't realise you were into conspiracy theories

@Scoggy Jeffrey Epstein Prince Andrew you think they are all conspiracies yeah okay then

@akira1984 What? No, I believe Prince Andrew is a big far liar, and I don't particularly believe Epstein was murdered because the evidence is not convincing. Conflating that with demonic worship "elites" sex abuse rings... Does not make you look intelligent. Nor does generalised cynicism without critical thought, or calling other people blind for not being miserable and suggestible, although I'm sure it feels like an easy shortcut. I could mention, once again, that the fact that the future gets generally better for people and not worse is evidenced by literally all of history, and that I never said that there aren't any challenges to face, I said that the good outweighs the bad, but I'm not interested in a debate with anyone who is quite this prone to jumping to conclusions.

@Scoggy Fine then.... live your fake dystopian dream

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@Scoggy I wanna try neuralink thats why im excited for

@testuo Update this Friday! 😍

@Scoggy Can it give enhanced abilities like super speed or strength sounds dumb

@testuo Hey, is your name as in.... tetsuo? That Japanese robot mutant movie?

@Scoggy Yeah

@Scoggy I have dyslexia I just asked brother if I spelled wrong 😂

@testuo Certainly not yet but I believe that's in the plan- although improved physical capabilities are personally pretty low on my list of hopes for it, given that once they move past spinal injuries and thought-control for devices and security authentication, it'll be able to connect our cortex to the internet for extended information retrieval (assuming a well developed interface and excellent algorithms for searching). For the Friday update, I've published a list for what I anticipate, which I'll C&P here. My predictions for the 28/8 neuralink update... 1. Human trials have either begun or are expected to begin before the end of this year 2. Specific neuronal firing patterns associated with knowledge of a simple task have been recorded in one animal subject by N1 and stimulated in the brain of an animal subject of the same species, transferring learning (similar to Duke University with rats/braingate & Utah array cooperative gameplay) 3. Animal subjects mentally controlling complex prosthetic limbs or a robot (reward-driven) 4. Possible demonstration of that whole "we got a monkey controlling a computer" thing 5. Demonstrated reasonably high consistency across different brains of the same species in how/which neurons fire under different circumstances/stimuli, and in what patterns 6. Demonstration of successful, high speed transfer of spike patterns between subjects via Bluetooth or WiFi 7. Accelerated neuroplasticity-modulated learning by stimulating a brain repeatedly with the same recorded patterns of neuronal firing associated with exposure to a new problem & its correct answer. I.e. you watch one video of how to fold up a piece of paper into an origami swan only once, the signals recorded in, I suspect, the motor cortex are looped to your brain repeatedly... congratulations, you now know how to make an origami swan perfectly with no prompting. 8. Some success with bypassing spinal cord injury in a mammal

@testuo Bahaha well you've got good taste in movies regardless 😂

@Scoggy I can finally became inevitable *snaps fingers*

@Scoggy My #7 is speculative- I'm more hoping they'll demonstrate progress towards this, based on the neuroscience literature and the success with #2.

@testuo I'm gonna bookmark this post so we can chat after the stream on Friday!

@Scoggy I can't wait

@Scoggy That actually sounds pretty terrifying to me. Not that we can preserve ourselves for the future, but that it’s possible to do so. Makes me wonder where that could go wrong, and what the consequences will be— cause I’m sure there are going to be some. The general idea sounds nice, though.

@worryqueen It sounds better then uploading your conscious to A machine

@worryqueen Just because in fairytales and fiction there is always a Price To Be Paid for something good, doesn't mean that's a reasonable way to think about real life. However, yes, it'll throw up plenty of already-recognised issues, like resource strain and personal rights issues, which is why it's going to be important to only revive people once society has addressed those issues.

@testuo You're already a biological machine. Literally a machine made out of biological tissue, which we are developing more of a blueprint for piece by piece. If the substrate changed from organic to non-organic, you wouldn't even experience a subjective difference.

@Scoggy I see but I really don't wanna be in a computer or something I love my body too much but I would love neuralink in my brain

@testuo I mean, you'd still have a virtual body, that's why I meant by you not experiencing any subjective difference.

@Scoggy I don't even think it's possible it seems like fiction

@testuo So did planes. But no, it's not possible now. But it will be at some point, and they've already done it with a flatworm https://youtu.be/2_i1NKPzbjM

@Scoggy Thats actually cool but also scary at the same time like you will no pain

@testuo Er your ability to feel pain would not be impacted, no.

@testuo Like I said- no subjective difference.

@Scoggy What got you so hooked onto this idea in the first place? Just curious. It all seems sketchy to me, but that’s just because it’s completely different and new and that’s always scary.

@worryqueen I found out that it was a real thing, wondered why people don't do it, and noticed that all of their excuses either make no sense or require claiming that death is good or at least necessary. Which ofc is incredibly hypocritical as we undergo treatments to prevent us from dying all the time. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to answer.

@worryqueen I realised that most people don't do it because nobody else they know has done it, and it's considered weird. I saw the progress of the science and made the very simple extrapolation that in the near future it'll be possible to safely cool people, not long afterwards it'll be possible to revive them, so then obviously as we cure more diseases and make more progress on age every year, the logical thing to do would be to go with cryonics. It wasn't that hard a conclusion once I realised that if the 'wisdom of crowds' made smart decisions all the time then our societies wouldn't do legally sanctioned stupid and immoral things, like locking criminals in a big boring building with other criminals, etc. So in this particular case, the fact that I'd noticed something which I didn't understand (people not signing up for cryonics, and governments not having huge, taxpayer-funded cryonics facilities for as soon as people die and investing loads in research) didn't actually mean that I was mistaken in the very simple logic which makes it obviously the best thing to do. It meant there were other reasons why they don't, and from what I can tell the main ones are not knowing about it, not knowing about the progress in the science of it, not wanting to look weird to other people, and not wanting to get their hopes up (hence some people pretending that being forced to die rather than choosing it if and when you decide it, is a good thing). So I don't think people are evil for doing very ethically wrong and stupid things like letting everyone die. And then I decided that the risk of looking weird should not be more important to me than my life, and that if I don't want to die then I need to think for myself instead of copying the choices and behaviours of people who don't actually think things through and rationalise themselves out of expressing any dissenting opinions about ethical issues.

@worryqueen Admittedly, it also helped that I found a handful of other people who agree with me- I'm only human.

@Marvel I made a post about it last night! If you scroll a bit it should come up :)