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Congratulations! Can you share how you cured yourself?
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I educated myself about Ocd and what it is. Since I am dealing with Pure0 and intrusive thoughts. My therapist told me in order to get better i have to identify my âcore fearâ. My therapist told me that everyone has one âcore fearâ. Second thing is Rumination. I learned about rumination what it is and how to stop it. I was practicing my ERP for compulsive rumination and ERP that i was exposing myself to my âcore fearâ. I learned that I didnât have intrusive thoughts all day instead i was ruminating. My mind gets stuck in loop. I was able to minimize my rumination. I am able to identify rumination and stop it . Itâs like i am turning switch to off. It take a lot of practice and exercise. If anyone has questions i can try to help based on my own experience.
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How did you get yourself to stop ruminating? What are some examples of core fears?
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. How to Stop Ruminating Iâm in the process of writing a more thorough manual about how to stop ruminating, but I wanted to make a barebones version available in the meantime: Here is the basic exercise I use to teach people how to stop ruminating: Identify a problem that you usually ruminate about. Your job is to not try to solve that problem. Do not try to push it out of your mind or forget about it. Donât actively try to keep it in mind either. It can be there or not be there; it doesnât matter. Your only job is to not try to solve it. If you were able to do this: Awesome. This is what it means not to ruminate. It doesnât mean you forget about the problem. It just means you stop trying to solve it. Since youâve now shown yourself that you are able to stop ruminating, if there are times in the future when you feel like you canât stop, itâll probably be because youâre justifying it. Remember that you do know how to stop, and you just need to make a clear decision to do so. If you had trouble with this exercise, what follows is a list of the problems people most frequently encounter, and a brief explanation of what to do about each one. If you feel like you are working hard or feel anxious throughout the exercise, there is probably something wrong with your approach, and you should consult the list below: âIt keeps popping into my mind.â Thatâs fine. It can pop in, or even just stay there. Thatâs not a problem. The problem is trying to solve it. If it pops in, just refrain from trying to solve it. âI was able to stop but it was really hard. I donât know if I could keep this up all the time.â Sounds like youâre imagining that if you donât hold it back, the rumination will come flooding in. It wonât. Rumination doesnât happen to you; you do it. Think of this like stepping off of a treadmill, not holding back floodwaters. âI keep trying to think about other things but itâs still there.â You donât need to actively try to distract yourself by thinking about other things. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, you wouldnât try to distract yourself; you would just stop. Do the same thing here. âI keep trying to stay present/mindful but my mind keeps wandering.â You donât need to do mindfulness or be present. You can think about whatever you want, or let your mind wander. Your only job is not to solve the problem. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, you wouldnât need to do mindfulness; you would just stop. Do the same thing here. âI donât know what to do instead.â Literally anything. You donât need to do anything instead; your only job is not to solve this problem. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, what would you do instead? Whatever you wanted. Just donât solve the math problem. If I asked you to get off of a treadmill, what would you do instead? Whatever you wanted. âI keep thinking about how to stop solving itâ or âI keep worrying that Iâm ruminating.â Stop trying to figure out how to stop. Thatâs rumination, too. If the thought occurs to you that you might be doing it wrong, treat that the same way as the original problem: donât try to solve it. For further discussion, check out Ruminating about Ruminating. âIâm not solving it exactly but I canât stop thinking about it anyway.â It sounds like youâre directing your attention toward it, like looking over your shoulder to see if itâs there. Try to stop doing this. If you notice it, thatâs fine, but try to let go of actively monitoring it. âIâm not trying to figure it out exactly, but I canât stop seeing disturbing images or scenes.â Except in very unusual circumstances, you canât really visualize something clearly or for a long time without doing so on purpose. The most visualizing that can happen outside your control is a vague image occurring to you for a brief moment. You are probably visualizing these things on purpose in an effort to figure something out (e.g., by checking your response to the images). âI still felt uneasy (or any other way).â Thatâs okay, that doesnât mean youâre ruminating. Donât try to control your feelings. Control your thinking. âI got upset whenever it came back into my mind.â That makes sense, since this is a problem that upsets you. Being upset about this problem doesnât mean youâre ruminating. In fact, youâll probably be reminded of this problem often, and you may feel upset for a moment, or even longer; your job is to refrain from trying to solve it anyway. Donât try to control your feelings. Control your thinking. These are the problems people have most frequently when learning how to stop ruminating. There are some additional problems that people frequently encounter when they try to eliminate rumination at all times. For help with these, check out I Know How to Stop Ruminating but I Canât Seem to Stop All the Time.
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. The Core Fear Understanding the Core Fear is foundational to effective treatment of OCD, and can unlock even the most baffling cases. Dr. Elna Yadin introduced the idea that each person with OCD has a âCore Fear,â and that their avoidance and compulsions are aimed at preventing it. This idea is very powerful, because OCD symptoms can seem very random and nonsensical, but when you see them as strategies aimed at preventing the Core Fear, they suddenly make a lot of sense. According to Dr. Yadin, the most common Core Fears are ruining (causing irreversible damage), suffering, being bad in some way, and death.* Though I fully agree with Dr. Yadinâs idea that each person with OCD has a Core Fear, I have a somewhat different perspective on what that means. Avoided Emotion Based on my experience, I believe that the Core Fear is always a form of emotional suffering, and that even if a person endorses a concrete event as their worst fear, what they are really afraid of is some specific form of emotional suffering associated with that event. More specifically, they are afraid of doing something that would lead to being in that state of emotional suffering permanently. The specific type of emotional suffering that an individual most fears can be highly individual, and cannot always be captured in one word. It is typically a form of emotional suffering that they have experienced themselves or witnessed someone else experiencing. Some common examples are: Feeling judged, ashamed, or rejected Feeling disconnected, untethered, alone, or abandoned Feeling guilty or regretful Feeling hopeless, helpless, or trapped Feeling contaminated, uneasy, or âoffâ Feeling inferior, not good enough, or like a disappointment Feeling how I felt when X happened, when I was abused, etc. When the person perceives something as a potential path to experiencing this form of emotional suffering permanently, they attempt to prevent this from happening, via either avoidance or compulsion. When for some reason they begin to experience this form of emotional suffering, they frantically try to escape it through the same means. To summarize whatâs been said thus far about the Core Fear: Each person has only one. It is a specific form of emotional suffering. The person is afraid of experiencing this state of emotional suffering permanently. A person is triggered by anything that causes them to feel that form of emotional suffering in the present, or represents a potential avenue to experiencing that state of emotional suffering permanently, in the future. All forms of avoidance and compulsion are attempts to protect the person from experiencing this form of emotional suffering permanently. Why the Core Fear is Impossible Emotional states donât last very long unless we are maintaining them by ruminating. Thus, once a person knows how to eliminate rumination, it is impossible for a certain emotional state to last forever. Why the Core Fear Seems Possible Protecting ourselves from any threat makes us feel threatened by it. In the case of an emotional threat, thinking (i.e., ruminating) about situations in which we might experience it can actually cause us to experience it. Furthermore, anytime someone with OCD feels a hint of the feared emotion, they do something to escape it. This has one of two outcomes: If it makes the feeling of threat go away, then it prevents them from learning that that feeling would pass on its own if they did nothing. In light of the above, one of the main ways that treatment works is by showing a person that if they donât do anything to avoid or escape the feared emotion (including not ruminating) it passes on its own. Why is it so important to identify the Core Fear? In my experience, I have found that identifying the Core Fear, and figuring out how all forms of avoidance and compulsion are aimed at preventing it, makes ERP more precise, more effective, and faster. It is one factor that has radically reduced the number of sessions I need to treat someone with OCD. I believe that the main reason itâs so important to identify the Core Fear is that OCD treatment is about choosing to take risks, and you canât choose to take a risk if you donât know what the risk is that youâre taking. Here are several other reasons it is so important to identify the Core Fear: It helps the therapist and patient to develop a simple and accurate case formulation. It enhances the patientâs sense of agency by showing them that their symptoms are actually strategies that they are using to protect themselves, and that they could choose to let go. By identifying the goal of the avoidance and compulsions as avoiding emotional suffering, it allows the patient to assess that their strategies are backfiring by causing emotional suffering. Mapping out the causal connection between the trigger and the Core Fear underscores the unrealistic nature of the sequence of events that would have to go perfectly and irreversibly wrong in order to arrive at the Core Fear (not to mention that even then, the state of emotional suffering wouldnât be permanent). Identifying the outcome that is expected to occur without compulsion/avoidance provides the opportunity to see that this outcome didnât happen. (As discussed above, one important example of this is seeing that if you donât do a compulsion or ruminate, a distressing feeling will pass on its own.) As stated above, identifying the Core Fear facilitates precise exposure exercises. For example, letâs say someone is a compulsive wiper. Is the Core Fear feeling ashamed forever? Feeling contaminated forever? Being distracted, making a terrible mistake, and feeling regretful forever? Each might indicate a different approach to the exposure. It allows you to catch subtle manifestations of avoidance and compulsion that might not have been identified as symptoms but are important to address as part of treatment (and also provide opportunities for exposure). For all of the above reasons, it helps cultivate the willingness to let go of avoidance and compulsion and to participate in ERP. So how do you identify the Core Fear? Below are the steps I use to identify the Core Fear with my patients. I am excited to share this worksheet with you. It will take you step-by-step through the questions that will help you to identify the Core Fear. Monitor: Trigger â Feared Outcome â Behavior (Avoidance or Compulsion) Review the monitoring and for each Feared Outcome, identify the worst possible personal consequence, and how the person would feel if that happened. Identify the feelings that all of these have in common. Ask the patient if they can connect that feeling to one or more painful early experiences. In addition to providing a sense of coherency to the patientâs experiences, this can also help to clarify the nature of the feeling. Go back to any symptoms that donât seem to be connected to the hypothetical Core Fear and see if the patient can figure out how they might indeed be connected, or adjust the hypothetical Core Fear to fit them in. If you have the right Core Fear, everything will fit. The Core Fear should ring true to the patient. Consider asking the patient to monitor their symptoms again with the hypothetical Core Fear in mind, and to either confirm that the hypothesis fits, or bring in examples of symptoms that donât seem to fit. Adjust or refine the hypothesized Core Fear as needed. Start ERP work based on your hypothesized Core Fear, but remain open to revising it in light of new information. In my experience, identifying the Core Fear has been a key factor in making ERP more precise, and consequently faster and more effective. I hope the above will help patients and therapists to gain a better understanding of OCD, and that this will lead to better treatment outcomes. *Personal communication **This also applies when the compulsion is rumination. You would want to know what the rumination is aimed at figuring out, what the person is afraid would happen if they didnât figure that out immediately, and how that could lead to the Core Fear.
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@snuggle Puggly Thank you! That makes sense! Just stop trying to solve it.
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. Thatâs all . I wish you speedy recovery đ
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@snuggle Puggly Thank you! Can I ask how did it help you? How soon did it help?
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About a month to two months
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You have to make recovery your first priority
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Thank you! I will try not to solve anything and just let it sit there
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. It will vanish on its own after a while Youâre gonna have less thoughts Donât solve anything
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@snuggle Puggly My ocd involves me thinking Iâll make a threat against a school or somewhere else. So I should not bother trying to solve if itâs true?
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. Nope, just sit and let your thought be there. You know is there but youâre not gonna mess with it or get involved. As soon as you start: analyzing, mental checking, monitoring,focusing your attention to it, trying to figure it out it becomes major problem.
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@snuggle Puggly Okay got it thanks!
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@snuggle Puggly Hey sorry for bothering you but say a thought about harm comes into my mind. Do I just say to myself âthis is ocd I need to move onâ and try to let it just be there correct?
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. You re not bothering me at all. When that harm thought comes to your mind. You just say ok thatâs all. Keep doing what you were doing.Youâre all good. Itâs normal and itâs not a problem. When you start analyzing, trying to figure it out, look for that thought then it is gonna get you into rumination and never ending cycle.
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@snuggle Puggly Okay yeah like agree with it or just acknowledge itâs there
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. Acnowledge thats all . It doesnât mean anything its just a thought
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. Your job is to not try to solve that problem. Do not try to push it out of your mind or forget about it. Donât actively try to keep it in mind either. It can be there or not be there; it doesnât matter. Your only job is to not try to solve it.
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@snuggle Puggly Okay I think I got it. Thank you!
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@NOCD Advocate - Greg J. I am gonna send you this doctor and articles you may find it helpful.
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@snuggle Puggly https://drmichaeljgreenberg.com/articles/
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No problem
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This gives me some hope, thank you for sharing (: I begin my first session next week and am eager to feel relief!
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Kindly Share Your Experience
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Yes please id like to know
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Just found this thread, itâs really inspiring to see peoples struggles before they got better, how are you both holding up now? Iâm just at the start of my journey and struggling but itâs nice to see other people who have got through it
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