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Very true, I went our drinking last night with friends and today has been horrible because of it. It just sucks because here in the uk drinking is such apart of our “going out” culture and I have fun when we go out! But the next day I have sooo much anxiety and fear
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Exactly!!!! I just started uni so obviously a lot is going on with that kind of stuff and I basically decided to just stop because I in general felt like being healthier. Turns out a lot of my OCD has been worse because of countless hangovers and I'm already feeling better.
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@ewaedb That’s so good to hear!! Yeah uni culture can be a nightmare for alcohol consumption, I’m just about to finish my degree and there’s been too many times I’ve woken up the next day with so much anxiety because of it! I was lucky tho as my ocd died down considerably during my first and second year of uni, third year it’s back in full force tho haha
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Hangxiety is the wooooorst.
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I got sober a little over a year ago specifically because I was so terrified of getting drunk and telling someone about my intrusive thoughts. Also, I get really bad derealization and I started noticing it getting horrible when I was drunk. And after I smoked, my intrusive thoughts would get so vivid and graphic. So I also stay 100% away from alcohol and drugs of any kind. It’s kind of a great side effect to have though 😂 Being sober makes you so much healthier
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it depends, i became dependent on cannabis because it provided me major relief from my OCD. in fact, you can get a medical marijuana prescription for OCD. obviously abuse can exasperate symptoms of OCD, but now that I have control over my cannabis use I find it actually helps be break from my obsessive thought patterns and enjoy the world non-obsessively - that is, in the present. be weary of casting a generalized condemnation of all drugs, as some can actually benefit those with OCD. additional research is being done with psychedelic drugs (LSD, Psilocybin) to alleviate OCD, and the results are also promising. the only drugs i’d be weary about taking with OCD are stimulants. caffeine alone has caused me to have panic attacks, albeit an amount of caffeine that supersedes an average dose. one or two cups should be fine, but even then if i’m not working out or engaging myself i find they make me anxious. adderal/vyvance always makes my obsessive thoughts / compulsions worse. lastly, alcohol, although not a depressant, is generally a very terrible drug. i tend to drink socially, one every two months, and i don’t have problems. i also don’t get plastered. there is a certain level of nuance required when discussing drug use in relation to any mental health issue, and casting a demonizing generalization against all drugs can actually hurt those suffering more than help.
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Yeah I mean when I smoked weed in the moment I felt better, but it's the hangover I'm talking about. The hangover made the OCD so much worse. Also I ended up smoking everytime my OCD acted up which is the wrong way to deal with it, because I obviously can't do that forever and I need to learn how to deal with it without any drugs.
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I see where you’re coming from. I, personally, used to drink very heavily, smoke a ton of pot, and also take non prescribed adderall. And I used to love it all, but when my OCD symptoms started getting really prevalent, any mind altering substance made it horrible. I find that especially with existential OCD and fearing whether or not your surroundings are real, a sober mind really helps you to navigate those fears. I know some other people who have mental health issues that have had “bad trips” and it triggered them so horribly. But I also know some people who do benefit from tripping or who microdose. It depends on the person. I just do better when I’m sober.
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@Ald21 it’s drug ABUSE that’s the issue. it’s all about the relationship you have with the drug. it’s a complex subject. I’ve had “bad trips” that have made my OCD worse (because I couldn’t accept the fear an uncertainty that was aroused by the psychedelics), and i’ve had amazing trips that practically cured my OCD for weeks afterwards. if you have a healthy, respectable relationship with drugs they can be an enhancement to life. HOWEVER, if you have a history of drug abuse (like i do, heavily abused of weed and nicotine), it is most definitely the best route to refrain from drugs for an extended period of time or deal with the issues that causes you to abuse in the first place. but i agree, a sober mind does allow you to navigate your thoughts easier, in most contexts. however, just because you abused in the past doesn’t mean you can’t have a healthy relationship in the future. just as an unrighteous man can change his wicked ways, so can you change your unrighteous relationship with drugs. remember, drugs have been used since the dawn of man to enduce states of spirituality and transcendence. abusing that relationship will certainly lead to turmoil.
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@jake Yeah I agree it does depend on the person I guess. For me I've not had a single bad trip and on all my trips I felt amazing, basically only 5% of my OCD was left. But the days after it would be wayyyyyy worse. For me the drugs tend to help while I'm still in the high but the hangover or days after it's just worse.
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@ewaedb that’s interesting, actually. my last acid trip i felt relief during and weeks afterwards. i feel like a huge part of the psychedelic experience that’s missing from street/recreational use is the lack of a professional helping you understand and integrate the experience afterwards. i’m really excited to see how the oregon psilocybin therapy centers do once they are established.
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Wondering if any of you have tried cannabis for your ocd and if it helped or made it worse.
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These treatments are not designed for OCD sufferers because they treat OCD like a logic disorder when OCD is very far from that. Hence why, many patients do not recover with these treatments. ⭐️ Talk therapy involves doing a lot of compulsions like rumination, reassurance-seeking, trying to figure out your thoughts, Etc. ⭐️ Similarly, standard ICBT also involves compulsions such as arguing with your thoughts. For example, if you have POCD, your therapist might say “you know you’re not p*do so just ignore the thoughts.” This is reassurance and can turn into another compulsion called thought-blocking. ‼️A reputable therapist here (Tracie Ibrahim) has told us in a support group that ICBT isn’t even evidence-based (even though people claim that it is) ⭐️ Beware of Instagram “coaches” who want your money and say they specialize in a very specific subtype of OCD (ex. relationship OCD). A good ERP therapist would know that all OCD subtypes are treated the same way so the subtype shouldn’t matter. An ERP therapist should be knowledgeable in all of them because all OCD is just OCD. One of the only things that may differ is the type of exposures you have to do. ⭐️ Also, I suggest you do not use drugs & alcohol as a crutch. You will struggle with your OCD without those, which can possibly lead to addictions. Those substances can even increase your OCD symptoms. ❤️ What I do recommend for OCD recovery: ERP therapy, behavioral activation, ACT, mindfulness, self-compassion, OCD community support, healthy distractions, bonding time with family and friends, and healthy lifestyle habits. These habits include healthy eating (try to stay away from processed foods), going out on nature walks, consistent sleep, and consistent exercise. Let me know in the comments below if you have any extra tips for what’s been helping you through your OCD journey👇
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OCD master post Do's and don'ts of ocd: Don't : Try to ignore (avoidance) Try to make sense of it (Ruminate) Act on it (compulsion) Argue with it (basically Ruminating) Distract yourself in spite of it (avoidance) All of the above will make ocd worse and does not work. Do: Acknowledge it Accept uncertainty Redirect your attention once acknowledged to something else Have healthy distractions available (try to use different ones every now and then to avoid creating a compulsion) Exaggerate the thought until its ridiculous, borderline unrealistic and funny. Respond with "maybe, maybe not", " sure", "cool", "thanks, you do you, I'm gonna do my thing, feel free to stay though" The above responses can train your mind to not deem them as threats and over time will trigger the fight or flight response less and less. You'll most likely make mistakes here and there but as long as you stay vigilant and don't get complacent, this should help. Ironic process theory and our internal alarm system: https://youtu.be/xoSlOnUuw-U?feature=shared Ironic process theory is to do with attachment and the idea of non-existence. The more we try to not think about something that already exists as a thought the more it'll prove it exists and demands your attention. With attachment, people tend to ignore or argue against in spite of the thought. If you do this you are doing it because of the thought, therefore giving it more life. Thirdly your brain will start to set an internal alarm via thoughts and hormones or even bodily reactions every time you are stressed, just to see if you're not stressed about that trigger even if it's not what triggered you in the moment. To combat this, you'll need to find a way to deal with the thoughts directly and let them be and get through it via Erp, or being able to accept the thought as a thought and redirecting your attention without attachment (despite or regardless of the thoughts) Erp done effectively: When you do Erp in therapy sessions, it's done in a controlled way and on your own terms. A lot of people make the mistake of only doing it in therapy with only ocd related themes. Truth is, you can do it with any level of discomfort and it's good to practice whenever you can as long as you're mindful of other people. When you're doing it out of therapy and on your own terms, you challenge a potential trigger and then welcome the feeling that follows. I find welcoming or accepting the feelings existence helps a lot. I would welcome the fear and all the horrible feelings until I'm crying and trembling and on the edge of a panic attack, the feeling always fades and trains your brain not to deem it as a threat anymore. No more ocd firedrills. Why practice is valuable. Imagine you have a boxing match with an opponent coming up, and that opponent is tough. They train every day, and you don't train at all. Who do you think will win when the day of the fight comes around? The opponent of course. So train yourself so you stand a fighting chance or risk getting your butt kicked every time OCD enters the ring. Hormones and circadian ryhtm: So the circadian rhythm is your internal body clock. Your hormones learn patterns and release at certain times of day. Usually based on the amount of sunlight exposure you get. Cortisol the stress hormone is the one to wake us up and if you do not find a way to deal with those hormones first thing, your ocd alarm will go off and bring up scenarios or thoughts to fill in the gap as to why your body is stressed. ERP, Exercise, breathing meditations, cold plunges are great for the morning to eliminate excess cortisol. Sunlight helps too, roughly 30 minute exposures is enough to help keep your circadian rhythm healthy. Melatonin kicks in when it starts to get dark or you've went through your hormone reserves for the day. The more you go through in a healthy way, the better you'll sleep. Rough neuro science explanation : https://youtu.be/BJshegpcFv8?feature=shared So your brain will use one of 2 pathways to process external stimuli. The direct pathway, being the shortest route to process in case of a threat or perceived threat. This pathway is dominant in those who have ocd. The there's the indirect pathway which takes longer but is related to rationalising thoughts. This pathway is used less by people with ocd. This pathway requires sufficient seratonin levels in order to be used and that's why SSRIs are popular medications for people with ocd. Food and drink consumption: So I tested myself based on lots of personal research around what we put in our body and how it effects ocd. Sugar, fructose and glucose levels spike quite quickly depending on your source. It can lead your body being stressed and releasing the corresponding hormones to notify you are stressed, then your brain will try fill in the gap whether you're aware of this or not. Whole fruits tend to be the best source as they contain fibre, acting as a slow release of energy rather than flooding your system. Caffeine has the same effect without question, and also screws up your circadian rhythm if not taken at sensible times. Trans fats, saturated fats and processed foods are also bad. These may not effect your brain as quickly as sugar or caffeine but stress your body over a slower and longer period. All of the above are not just inflammatories for your muscles and organs, they are neuro inflammatories, making it much harder for your brain to use the indirect pathway for rationalising your thoughts, therefore supporting the direct neuropathway and your usual OCD patterns. The foods I started to eat are heavy in anti inflammatories to help my brain function better, anti oxidants to help lower the stress in my body, and food that support seratonin production to promote the use of the indirect neural pathway. The list below is vegan friendly, but you can look into this to suit your preferred needs ●Tryptophan - leafy greens, sunflower seeds, water cress, soy beans, pumpkin seeds, mushrooms, brocoli, peas ●vit b6 - nutritional yeast, muesli, avacado, pistachio nuts, butternut squash, banana, quinoa, brown spaghetti, chestnuts, hazelnuts, oranges, tahini, potatoes, chickpeas, kidney beans, peanuts ●higher b12 complex - yeast extract, Soya milk, almond milk, tofu, tempeh, seaweed, beetroot ●Vit D - portobello mushrooms, shitake mushrooms, orange juice, soya yoghurt ●zinc - beans, cashew nuts, Lentils, chia seeds, linseed, hemp seeds, wholemeal bread, blackberries, pomegranate juice, spinach, strawberries, pecan nuts, Brazil nuts, oatmeal ●Complex carbs - quinoa, brown rice, peas, corn, sweet potatoes, barley, lentils, nuts, legumes ●Thiamine / Vit b1 - beans, peas, legumes, nuts, brown rice ●Monounsaturated fats - extra virgin olive oil, other oils, nuts and avacados ●Vit c - guava, peppers, kiwi, mango, papaya, strawberries, brocoli ●Polyphenols - berries, dark chocolate, cocoa powder, nuts, flax seeds, olives, green tea, artichoke, red grapes, spinach ●Antioxidant - Brocoli, spinach, carrots, potatoes, artichoke, cabbage, beetroot, kale, spices ●Anti inflammatories - olive oil, avacado, walnuts, tomatoes, dark chocolate, leafy greens, brocoli, ginger, turmeric, berries, grapes, chia seeds, pepper, garlic, spirulina ●Raisins, red wine, grapes Mindfulness and being in the moment: So our brains do not know the difference between a real threat and a perceived threat and will react the same regardless of how we can rationalise it. A lot of us are stuck in the past or the future and mindfulness promotes being present. The past and future are both illusions of the mind. They are not happening now but our ocd brains react as if they are real. Anything that is not happening now isn't real. So practicing anything that will pull you closer to the present moment will help to ground you in reality. Everything that doesnt exist in the present is infinite and we cannot be certain of any of it, all we can be certain of is the here and now. Core values, self judgement and breaking the cycle : A lot of us are stuck in cycles, going around and around. These cycles are due to a lot of our core values and the thoughts/ past actions not lining up with the. These can be caused by trauma and/ or conditioning. Usually we can't let go because something clashed with the way in which we judge things, but the problem doesn't actually lie in our focus, but the values in which we judge them. The problem isn't what we weigh, but the scale itself. This is where it can get tricky, especially if what we think feels justified. It's not that your judging the scenario, actions or thoughts incorrectly, it's that your values are a bit on the extreme side. For example, I had harm ocd for 2 years and it was telling me to hurt everyone and everything in every way possible. This theme came about because I had a random intrusive thought once that clashed with my extreme values on morals having been raised by a reformed ex gangster and animal rights activist. The fault was caused by the conditioning I received. So when you go into therapy, please try to understand your conditioning and challenge them through Erp and some self compassion because it's not your fault. Where the fault lies does not matter, because that doesn't change what you need to do. You have to heal yourself regardless of it all.
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