- Username
- blackraspberry
- Date posted
- 4y ago
What you’re afraid of and what people obsessing over being gay are afraid of is the same thing: that you’ll “have to be” someone that you’re not. What they’re uncomfortable with is not gay people. In fact, most people who suffer from HOCD are NOT homophobic and in fact one of the most painful parts of dealing with the theme is thinking you somehow are homophobic and therefore a bad person. Unfortunately we’re all going to trigger each other sometimes. But that’s the thing about living with OCD: recovery is about facing those triggers head on without compulsions. When someone says something triggering, note it to yourself: “okay that just triggered me and now I want to start ruminating about whether being gay is bad or not. I’m going to accept uncertainty here instead: maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I don’t know and I don’t need to know.” Then continue going about your day as you were without using compulsions to reassure yourself. Let whatever anxiety arises just be there and leave when it’s ready.
That’s true. It just feels so overwhelming lol
just try to remember that these people don’t view being gay as wrong/gross, but just not in line with their identity. being gay is perfectly fine as is being straight, bi, pan, etc. I’m so sorry these posts have made you feel like who you are is wrong or gross in any way because it isn’t!
Thank you, and you’re right. When you feel so defensive, it’s hard to remember that the core fear of SOOCD is the same regardless of the direction. Like pureolife said, it’s probably inevitable for people to trigger eachother just because of the nature of this app? I really appreciate your words though.
It’s only a double-edged sword when you don’t have coping mechanisms and haven’t gone through therapy yet, honestly. I’m only “triggered” when I’m at a stress level between 8-10. But even then, it’s not as bad as others have it.
I mean. Different things are triggering to different people. I haven’t done ocd specific therapy yet but I’ve had a steady therapist for years. I’m trying to get in contact with a dbt specialist and I’m trying to start working on erp on my own. Sometimes even if you’ve tried to create coping mechanisms certain issues are stubborn. The truth for me is that there are positive and negative aspects to spending time on this app. I want to be able to get as much good out of this as possible.
@blackraspberry You’re being triggered so easily because you honestly haven’t done ERP as of yet. I had a therapist for years but that didn’t make a difference because it was talk therapy. Only when I was diagnosed and then did what was needed to do via exposure therapy with a therapist and on my own did I get to this point. I still have POCD and ROCD and it comes up every once in a while (sometimes weekly), but I know what to do in those situations and I’ve gotten my issues down to a certain point where it’s manageable. The goal is to MANAGE your OCD, and that means doing hard work— including letting your thoughts and feelings on this app be as they are and not obsess over “what if...” situations, or do compulsions.
@Nica I know! That’s why I’m eager to start. I just feel like I need the help of an ocd oriented therapist to get started because dipping my toes into ERP on my own has been really overwhelming.
@blackraspberry ERP is really hard to do on your own the first time without some help from a specialist. Once you go through the process with them once for a theme, it’s much easier to use what you learn on your own for future themes. And it is quite overwhelming when you do it alone! Are you seeing a specialist soon?
@pureolife Also, here’s an article about self directed erp if you for some reason can’t see a specialist right now: https://iocdf.org/expert-opinions/expert-opinion-self-directed-erp/
@pureolife My main therapist has helped me find a therapist that specializes in what I need and I plan on getting in touch with her tomorrow! She does telehealth video chats so hopefully I can start working with her really soon
@blackraspberry Awesome! Good luck ???
Yeah, I’m a lesbian too. I find it easier to empathize with straight people going through HOCD, but have thoughts & OCD telling me that being a dyke & being trans is gross and unnatural - they discourage me from doing anything having to do with my identity, including important stuff like maintaining my govt benefits, changing my govt ID documents, and going to lesbian social functions, and they even interrupt me during sex to try to shame me, make sex physically uncomfortable and stop me from enjoying myself. I *do* feel bitter that resources are directed mostly towards straight people’s needs and not towards the needs of people like us. It’s wrong.
Yeah its debilitating.. on top of the self loathing I feel intense guilt that I’m so disgusted by myself (because it could hurt others in the community) so I isolate myself completely. I wish that there were more resources specifically targeted towards gays with SOOCD so that I could get through like. A single article without that article itself being a trigger LOL
@blackraspberry There is at least a single article - I posted it below.
Oh thank you! I’ll take a look at it
And thank you for the resource!
One of the mods/“advocates” here, Katie, responded to a post of mine expressing anger & frustration about the same problem by doing some digging online, and found this article: https://medium.com/s/story/my-ocd-tries-to-convince-me-im-not-queer-36ec3c1c89c9
The page includes an audio recording of the article - if it’s triggering, you could listen to it as an exposure, in order to dredge up your anxiety and train yourself not to respond to it.
@Vieira da $$$ilva???? I just read it and it definitely was a trigger lol. Gonna just let this pass and not dig deeper.. thank you again!
@blackraspberry Oof I feel that. Yeah letting it pass is the key. Just not responding or “so what if it’s true? so what?” or even vigorously agreeing with your anxiety to let the wind out of its sails. Just let it pass.
@Vieira da $$$ilva???? Yes those are some good responses to practice! For your own struggles with this, did you find that working with a therapist on this was helpful? I’ve brought it up to mine and he had the same sort of approach as the one that’s suggested for ERP like. So what if you are? Maybe you are? So what? But like it feels so monumentally shitty when another person says that to me that idk .
@blackraspberry Well, I think it IS different in most situations when someone else says it to you, because it would typically be dismissing your OCD and/or your lesbianism and resistance to the heterosexual order as unimportant. Whereas when we use it against our OCD, it takes the energy *away* from the OCD, making it harder for the OCD to dominate our minds and *interfere* with being huge dykes & living our best lives. C:
@Vieira da $$$ilva???? Yeah good point. Ugh all of this stuff is so complicated!! I hate it lol
@blackraspberry The words are a tool, and being put to two very different uses when someone uses them to get in our way vs when we use them to stop the OCD to stop us from getting in our way.
@blackraspberry Yeah ugh I hate having to do all the complicated dancing with mental disorders all the time ?
@blackraspberry [wakes up] okay now in order to successfully get out of bed I have to enter the special kick combo just right okay let’s see circle-square-square-triangle-circle-circle wait no that was supposed to be a triangle [falls out of bed to the floor] damn it okay what now
@Vieira da $$$ilva???? I KNOW LOL ?? it’s so frustrating I feel like I’m constantly playing chess against myself except the other me keeps cheating and changing the rules so I can never get the upper hand
@Vieira da $$$ilva???? For example : I have complex rules that I Must Live By and one of them is that I need to create todo lists. However, there are specific criteria that they Must Follow so I don’t forget anything and ruin my life so I need to make them Perfect . But I can never decide what a “perfect” to-do list includes ?? #notfun
@blackraspberry That sounds possibly like what the usual diagnostics call “just-right OCD” - I believe there’s a topic for it here on NOCD. & it sounds painful. :(
I’m new to the site but not at all new to OCD. I’ve seen a lot of posts about “hocd” and just generally posts about people thinking they’re gay or whatever. I’m a lesbian and honestly it’s a really confusing and awful thing to see. I’m sure the posts aren’t literally homophobic but like, it’s shitty to go on an app to help your mental illness and then to see people portray homosexuality as an illness!!!! I know that there could be straight people who have these intrusive thoughts but HEY!! I had those intrusive thoughts too and I ended up being gay. I thought it was all anxiety but it wasn’t! It just feels so weird to see this stuff. If I saw those posts as a teenager, I might still be closeted and self-hating. Anyone else have thoughts?
I wonder what people think about having SOOCD as a straight person and simultaneously striving to be queer-positive and affirming. I feel most “myself”, most free, when I don’t feel pressure from my subconscious to act out on gay impulses and become a flamboyant personality, and when I don’t even have to think about “being straight” because I just am who I am. Even though I’d like to be free from gay obsessions and false attractions that feel like they’ve evolved into real attractions (even though i still don’t feel like I truly want men), I feel guilty that I am choosing not to let this flamboyant “alternate” personality develop. I feel like I’m not a true ally if I’m saying it’s beautiful for other people to experience queer sexuality, but when I experience obsessions and therefore feelings of a queer nature I dismiss it as “not me”. I know we can’t defeat OCD with neat forms of reassurance or ways of explaining the pressure away, but I’m having a hard time not embracing obsessive gay thoughts because I feel bad not actively affirming them. But then accepting them as real makes me super anxious and untrue to myself. Thoughts?
Hi there, I am looking to get some support and advice, I recently started to suffer from SO-OCD due to tiktok. My feed started to have videos " if you did this or thought this you are gay" or videos of girls coming out later in life. I have never questioned my sexuality and have always been with men, I find it triggering as some of the things mentioned in the videos, I agree with but never thought it could mean I was gay. It had made me question everything and made me try to look back on the past to see if there were any evidence of this. I am nowhere near homophobic, but this is not the life I want for myself, so why is my mind so fixate on these thoughts if this is not who I identify nor want. I also struggle with ROCD Any advice or support would be greatly appreciated! xx
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