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I think I just got MASSIVE trigger and I have no freaking ideia what to do. I just wanna disappear. !!: I'm gay and I struggle with the fear pf being straight or bi.
I think I just got MASSIVE trigger and I have no freaking ideia what to do. I just wanna disappear. !!: I'm gay and I struggle with the fear pf being straight or bi.
Don’t fight against your OCD or intrusive thoughts. And don’t alter your behavior for then either.
Thx for the advice. At the moment we really think about every other possibility.. but not ocd.
@Rafahel So true!!
Every OCD is treated the same no matter the content or theme.
Let's talk more about all of this! That's a super, super helpful distinction you were able to make for yourself about what you are feeling! The idea that right now it's not so much a fear that you might actually like girls, but rather a fear that the attraction you think you have felt for guys is not legitimate. Understanding that facet of what is going on here and making that clear distinction is really valuable! So, I know that if what you are experiencing is OCD, then seeking reassurance or trying to "prove" something to yourself can be part of the cycle of obsession and compulsion. But I also know that life is complicated, and our brains can feel confusing, and all of this can be quite messy. And with that in mind, I know that it can be helpful to have thoughts that can anchor or ground you. So one such thought that might be helpful is the idea that you are least likely to feel physical feelings of attraction or romance when you are feeling super stressed and cerebral about attraction and romance. Let me explain -- a large part of what happens when we feel that kind of attraction is hormonally driven! We have rushes of certain hormones. One of the big hormones involved is oxytocin. Oxytocin is nick named "the cuddle hormone." It's the hormone that helps you feel warm and fuzzy, or that helps you feel deeply, happily connected with a person, animal, or sometimes even a place. Oxytocin is directly combated by stress hormones like adrenaline. That means that if we have a big surge of adrenaline our oxytocin levels are suppressed and are temporarily low. There are biological reasons for this! If we're in the wild, and we're worried that a predator might be about to attack, that is NOT the time to to feel overcome or soothed by warm, happy, sweet emotions. It is the time to *run* or *fight!* or *freeze*. And so if you're in the middle of an emotional crisis and you're having a fight, flight, freeze, or fawn response, then you are not in an ideal hormonal state to experience love, attraction, romance, feelings of sexuality, etc. That means that if you are in an OCD spiral and you are obsessing about whether or not your feelings of sexual attraction are genuine, and that as a compulsion you try to take a mental survey of how you are feeling to "prove" to yourself that you really do experience same sex attraction, you are very, VERY likely to come away feeling like "Oh, I guess I was right to worry. Maybe I don't know myself at all. Maybe I've never liked guys. Maybe I don't even get crushes. Because I feel nothing right now." Nothing but stress that is! Is that relatable and does it make sense? When you are feeling a bit better, and aren't feeling caught in that same loop, you might consider spending some time trying to explore your sexuality in a non-outcome focused way. Exploring without attachment to outcome means two key things: 1) doing your best not to tie your self worth to the outcome 2) inviting whatever happens with the idea that you may or may not feel a lot of sexual or romantic attraction in that moment (but likely will at other times!) and that you have the goal of being really gentle and accepting of yourself and whatever may come up. You could do this with a guided meditation, looking at celebrity crush pictures, or maybe looking at photos or videos of male-male couples being really sweet with each other. With that in mind, have you seen Heartstopper yet? That could be a lovely, lovely show to watch to just enjoy seeing love and affection between two caring boys who really like each other. <3 And, also, awwwww! Tell me more about the sweet guy! :-) What do you enjoy about him? What sensations do you feel when you are in "crushing" mode? Feel free to gush about him if that feels good!
Everything you said makes so much sense! Thank you for answering me. I have watched Heartstopper and I made all my friends watch it too! They're so cute. And about that boy idk to even explain this LOL, just by thinking about the stuff I like about him and him in general I start smilling and kinda blushing. He's just so gorgeus and caring about his friendships, he's funny and he also likes to draw! Which is something that I also love to do. Idk this moments with him are just so nice and relaxing. This whole thing with OCD jsut doesn't matter around him you know?
Hello from a fellow lgbtq+ person! A couple questions for you to consider: If you were bi, would there be a specific problem? How would it be a problem for you? Is there a scenario in which you can imagine exploring your sexuality and it feeling safe to just see what comes up and approach the question with curiosity rather than fear and judgement? One thing that might feel helpful is to remember that sexuality is a spectrum. Many people find that they are not all the way over to one side or the other. Are you familiar with the Kinsey scale? It’s possible that what you’re experiencing is exclusively ocd. It’s also possible that your sexuality is complicated and that you sometimes feel attracted to people of the opposite sex. Are you able to talk about all of this in therapy?
@Anonymous Hi! I appreciate your comment, however I feel like it’s slightly triggering as with my intrusive thoughts, I don’t know what’s real or not anymore. I do go to therapy about it, and I’m not comfortable with being anything but straight if that makes sense. If I try to imagine it, I get extremely anxious and I don’t want any part of it. I hope that makes sense!
@Stuckinmyheadwaves You are free to disregard! My questions are meant for the op specifically. It is factual that human sexuality can be very blurry. If someone is feeling a lot of anxiety wondering if they are experiencing feelings that don’t seem to match up with the label they identify with, then it makes sense that reading about sexuality being a spectrum could be triggering. There’s lots of room for uncertainty there. Nonetheless, reading about the idea of sexuality being a spectrum rather than a binary can be extremely helpful for many people, so I wanted to offer it up.
Hey, I do think it's OCD because like, that whole trigger and crisis didn't come from like looking at someone from the opposite gender, it was more in a way of like, being scared that I'm not actually gay and that means that I'm living a lie and stuff. I'm on therapy but my therapist/psychologist said she don't think I have OCD because ""OCD is only physical stuff like cleaning and organizing"" so I think I'm kinda stuck here.
@Rafahel I’m so sorry that your therapist said that — it’s absolutely not true. They are misinformed :-( Have you thought about seeking out additional therapy support through NOCD?
@Rafahel That feeling of worry that you’re living a lie sounds really distressing. I’m sorry that’s coming up for you!!
@Rafahel I want to gently point out that it’s possible for someone to be experiencing ocd anxiety loops that involve thinking about the possibility of being bisexual *and* to actually experience attraction to people of both sexes. Those can be two separate things. For example, I grew up believing I was straight and trying to convince myself that attraction I felt to other girls was just intrusive thoughts popping into my head. I felt guilt, shame, and confusion. This became a big challenge as I found myself falling in love with my best friend (who is the same sex as me). It was really distressing! There were definitely ocd type thought patterns involved. But that love and attraction were genuine. And today we’ve been married for almost ten years. One thing that helped me was learning more about how attraction works. Because I have ovaries and a menstrual cycle I have the opportunity to notice how my experience of attraction to other people fluctuates as my hormones fluctuate. There are some months where I find myself feeling very attracted to certain men while I’m ovulating! It helps me a lot to zoom out and see how that makes sense biologically. I know I love my wife and want to be with her. I know that I am very sexually attracted to many women. I know I am sometimes sexually attracted to men. I don’t really consider myself to be bisexual. I don’t consider myself to be a lesbian either. I personally don’t feel the need to label myself. That’s part of what I love about the Kinsey scale!! I can just say that I’m a 4 or a 5 on the Kinsey scale. It also helps me to think about how I can’t know the gender identities of every person I’ve found myself attracted to. For example I had a boyfriend in high school who I really, truly had strong romantic affection for. But when I think back to how it felt to be with him romantically, i realize that I just loved him for who he was. In the same way that I love my wife for who she is. And he had a soft, sweet, gentle personality. He was religious and pretty conservative. I doubt he felt free to explore his gender identity. If he had how might he have identified? Maybe as gender queer? Maybe as trans? Who knows? Gender is just a social construct. Does what I’m saying make sense? It feels so wonderful to feel safe exploring and accepting whatever comes up when it comes to sexual attraction I might experience (to other adults). It feels wonderful to see all of this as a gentle, fluctuating spectrum and not to judge where I might find myself on that spectrum at any given moment. It feels wonderful to expect that to change with time and to not be scared of it. It feels a million times better than the anxiety loops I found myself stuck in when I was young and trying to repress homosexual urges I was feeling. If I began to feel OCD type anxiety about my sexuality now, at this point in my life, I would be working to *both* give myself the freedom to explore whatever thoughts might come up and to remember everything I said above (about fluctuation being normal and sexuality being a spectrum), *and* I would be working with a therapist to help me better understand and cope with the OCD thought patterns around all of it.
@Anonymous What you said makes a lot of sense, and you're right. Both sexuality and gender are dictated by society. Sexuality is a spectrum and gender is a social construct. I've been there when I was trying to figure my sexuality out. For years I was fighting my feelings for men and forcing myself to be straight although I never felt romanticly or sexually attracted to women. I think my fear right now is more of being scared of not having feelings for guys like, living a lie you know? Like, there's a guy at my class at school that I think he is really attractive and cute and sweet and funny, and I think he *might* feel the same way, idk. But this fear keeps pulling me away thinking like "but what if I actually don't feel attracted to guys? What if I am living a lie and I actually don't feel attracted to him??". And that really sucks because I do have a crush on him, we've been hanging out a lot recently because of our friend group and I actually think things could work out. The NOCD part, I tried before to use that part of the app but I don't think I can. I don't live in america so like I don't have insurance or anything like it. Right now I'm pretty much by myself, I think.
what the hell? this entire day ive been trying to do ERP right? allowing the thoughts feelings, sensations be there with very little reaction, saying"oh that's a thought", "that's a feeling" don't care" etc. But it seems to be making it 100x times worse. Like its impossible to just"ignore" it, it feels so freaking real as if this was the truth, the doubts are real, the false attraction feelings and lip sensations are REAL and genuine attraction, feels ego-synotic, its impossible just to ignore or move on from it because I think I'm so hyperfocused on it all so it last the whole day. IDK right now it feels and seems as if I lost? like its not a what if but it feels factual like"I'm naturally gay, I'm gay" and it feels like normal and become ok with that. But I don't want that I don't want to be gay.
I watched the trailer for the movie “Am I Ok?” and got completely triggered. Basically a 32 yo woman discovers she’s a lesbian seemingly out of nowhere. I was triggers and did some research (bad idea) and apparently some people who are gay have never had romantic or sexual interest in people of the same sex until one spontaneous moment of discovery. Now I’m worried that this could be me!! I’ve never had a long term relationship, have had crushes and fantasies but back out when things get too close for me. I do prefer my little fantasy world guy but now I’m wondering if maybe I missed something and am in denial, even if I didn’t know it.
im so scared that this is just denial and that im actuall gay. idk what to do anymore i need help. its just constant anxiety in my chest and i hate it. is there anything i can do to help?
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