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Can I self-apply ERP?
So, I wanted to know if, just in case I can't afford the therapy sessions here, is there any way to learn and apply ERP for yourself?
So, I wanted to know if, just in case I can't afford the therapy sessions here, is there any way to learn and apply ERP for yourself?
yeah thats what im doing! i can give an example . i had a therapist but he moved , so now i don’t have a therapist, but this was a suggest from him when i did go to him. you can apply this to what you want to expose yourself to. lets say a person wants to do exposure therapy to make their fear of spiders go away 1st exposure would be them imagining spiders crawling all over their body 2nd exposure would be them watching videos & looking at photos of spiders 3rd exposure would be them being in a room with a spider , but the spider is in the cage & the cage is far away 4th exposure is that the person would be in the room with a spider, but the spider is outside of the cage , but its far away 5th exposure would be the person in the room with the spider being outside of the cage & close to them last exposure would be the person holding the spider and letting the spider crawl on them.
@moonjoy i also suggest after every exposure , reward yourself . an example of a reward is like ur fav candy bar , fav drink , a cute plushie & if you don’t wanna spend money u can do something like “i can watch my fav movie after” .
sorry if this question is uncomfortable, but how do you think this'd look like for a person suffering with pocd?
@etoatzc id say to not do rituals or things you may avoid doing because of your pocd. for example, if you avoid washing your baby brother in the bathtub , then you would expose yourself to washing ur baby brother in the tub . if you have certain rituals like for example “i have to click this pen 30 times and if i dont that means im a p3do” then you would not click the pen at all. you’d sit with that thought and not get any reassurance. i suggest you purposely increase your “closeness” with kids, like for example , if you avoid playing with ur nephews and neices , then next time you see them play with them all day long. maybe offer to babysit . imagining a situation if you WERE actually a p3do and sitting with that terrible and uncomfortable thought. reading articles or videos that can “trigger” you and not seeking any reassurance or not doing any rituals ( for ex: i have to tap my foot 4 times and if i dont then it means im a p3do )
@etoatzc & no , don’t apologize. it didn’t make me uncomfortable at all !
@moonjoy a good website to get some ideas is search up POCD Part 2: Treating Pedophile-Themed OCD & the website should say “Sheppard Pratt”
@moonjoy Hey, ik this is old stuff, but I tried what you said, I looked at the pic of a kid for a few mins and just sat there with the anxiety and terrible thoughts and tried to avoid my usual compulsions, I guess it worked a bit (was able to tolerate the uncertainty till my anxiety calmed down a bit) but it was also extremely distressing.It's like my OCD is trying to make me feel guilt and shit for not engaging with my rituals and not "trying to make sure" that I'm not a p3do, I'm proud of myself but I'm really not sure if this was a good idea. Maybe I overshot it too hard? I dunno. Is it normal to feel really tense and jittery and even a bit s*icidal after doing this? What if I did it all wrong?
@etoatzc I'm trying to slowly reassure myself I'm not a bad person for not trying to disprove the uncertainty, but I'd be lying to say I'm not a bit terrified by my emotions and thoughts ar the moment.
@etoatzc that’s totally normal. im doing exposure therapy & ( trigger warning ) have those thoughts and sometimes really wanna harm myself when i do the exposure. it feels really really bad , but that’s exactly what exposure therapy is . thats so good that you did that . keep going ! exposure therapy has such a high success rate for people who continue with it. you did not do it wrong at all. i literally have breakdowns and panic attacks after every time i do my exposure.
@etoatzc also, i know we tend to go to reassuring, but reassurance is a compulsion. try not to reassure yourself . i understand how hard that is trust me, it feels like the worst feeling. but reward yourself with something. try doing this like 2 times a week or whatever feels best for you, but try not to go over 2 weeks w/o doing an exposure
@etoatzc exposure therapy is going to be brutal. in all honesty, BUT at a certain point you either have to go through that terrible pain and finally overcome ocd or be stuck with the pain from your ocd w/o fixing it yk? that’s what i have to tell myself . it really does mess with you, but that actually shows its working. as your mind feel that panic, that guilt, that anxiety, that depression & even feel those s*icidal thoughts the more and more closer you are to making your ocd realize that you are not going to let those thoughts control you from doing certain things
@moonjoy yeah, i get it. i felt really strong when i overcame it, i'm even proud of myself, but i'm not sure if it really works or not. i'm terribly scared that i may be doing this thing wrong and making it all worse, and to add to my fears, i've never had an actual OCD therapist that can instruct me into doing ERP properly or whatever. were you in ocd therapy? did the ERP also feel like that even with therapy assistance? and are there any techniques that i should be aware of, aside from the usual 'face your fears, sit with them, don't surrender to your compulsions'? and, sorry if this is too personal, but would you say you feel better than before now that youve done some erp and all? tysm for the replies btw, pocd and ocd in general feels so suffocating cuz, deep inside, ik im not a bad person and that ocd is just tricking me, but i still feel the urge to answer the "what ifs?" and check and make SURE i'm a good person even though ik thats a rigged game that i'll never win, but if i wanna get better, its a fucking tough road with the worst emotions and thoughts ive ever had and felt, absolute psychological brutality. the worst is that i havent told anyone in my family i struggle with this due to shame and worry that they wont understand and shrug it off, ive had to hold tears back in front of my mom and pretend i wasnt being tormented by my intrusive thoughts. but your replies and just NOCD and ERP in general make me feel like maybe theres a light at the end of the tunnel, and who knows, in a tragic way, maybe struggling with OCD and recovering has the potential to make me much happier and stronger than the usual person. maybe i can take this OCD and use it as a way for personal character growth, add meaning in my life, you know? maybe im ruminating at this point but really, ty
@etoatzc oh my god i just realized the size of this im so srry
@etoatzc exposure therapy has a 60-90% success rate !! tbh youre gonna have those thoughts of “what if this is just making me more anxious” or “what if this isnt going to work” . if you consistently do something again and again, especially when those “fears” come up, then your mind without doubt is becoming more immune to it . my therapist said that during the exposure therapy that you would feel terrible and anxious and hate doing it, but the reward at the end is not suffering anymore with these terrible ocd thoughts you know? & i have been doing exposure therapy for only 3 days, when i was in therapy my therapist would tell me about it & how to go about it , but i was too scared to start it tbh. but , ive seen some videos on tiktok and people who are doing exposure therapy say the same thing , they hated it & felt so anxious and terrible etc but as they kept doing it , it started to feel better and better . it’s going to be a long and hard journey, but keep rewarding yourself. i get a coffee anytime i do an exposure.
@etoatzc & of course !! no problem. i wish you luck, keep going . itll seem like its not working, but thats kinda like working out you know? you may not see results at all and you may think “ive been working out for a while and i didnt change” but then people realize their change when they do year comparisons , you know?
How do people start practicing erp on their own? Because I tried yesterday, and it helped for like two hours, but it always comes back and scares me. I don’t think i can practice it the right way without help.
I had just posted a summary of ERP for a group member, and I thought it might be useful for everybody. Here it is below (with a little extra added)…. ERP therapy is researched-based. Most other therapies don’t work. There have been people who have been literally stuck in their houses (from their OCD) who gained their lives back through ERP therapy. NOCD does ERP therapy exclusively. You can find it in other places too, but you have to ask around. There are two tenants of ERP therapy: The first one has to do with the repetitive thoughts inside our heads. These thoughts are actually defined as “obsessions”. You are not supposed to do anything with the obsessions. You are supposed to let them run through your head freely, without trying to fix them or stop them. Imagine a tree planted by a river. The leaves fall off and float down the river. You can see the leaves falling, but you don’t try to stop them or pick them up. You don’t try to fix them. You just let them float away. This is really important to do with your obsessive thoughts. The more you try to fight them off, the worse they get. I used to have blasphemous sentences running in my head 24/7. I felt like I had to put a “not” next to each sentence in order to “fix” it. But this just took hours of my time every day, and it was very scary, because I was worried that if I messed up, that I would go to hell. It was very freeing to learn later that I could just let those sentences run freely through my head without trying to fix them. The second part of ERP therapy is all about “denying your compulsions.” Every time OCD tells you that if you don’t do things a certain way that something really bad will happen, that is a compulsion. Once you recognize what your compulsions are, ERP therapy will have you practice stopping doing all of those things. For some people, that will mean stopping washing their hands or touching lights switches or, in my case, putting “fixing” words in their head. Compulsions are safety behaviors. During ERP therapy, you will practice stopping engaging with safety behaviors. All this is very hard to do and scary, so during therapy you will be given tools to help you deal with the fear. Often ERP therapy will take people from being non-functional to functional. I highly recommend it. ————————————————- PITFALL #1: After you have been doing ERP for a while and become somewhat successful, the OCD will try subtle little tricks to bring you down again. The first one is to tell you that your thoughts are REAL and not OCD, and therefore you can’t apply ERP therapy. Don’t fall for this trick! All thoughts are just thoughts. They are all meaningless. Don’t try to figure out what is real and what is OCD. Just treat all thoughts with ERP therapy. PITFALL #2: The second pitfall is that OCD will tell you that you can’t move forward unless you have absolute certainty that you will be safe. Hate to tell you this, folks, but there is no certainty in life. You will never know for SURE that you or your loved ones will be “safe” from the OCD rules. Therefore, you have to move forward in the uncertainty. It’s hard, but it gets easier with time and practice. We got this, guys !!!!!!
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