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- 5y
I agree 100% with everything you just said! I feel like more people experience this than we know, I don’t know how someone could NOT experience this. No one wants to talk about it because immediately people will say “it’s ok I support you if your gay/lesbian” so no one is going to want to talk about it. Today’s acceptance for LGBT+ people is great but it only fuels our HOCD wired brains more and more unfortunately. And I am not an extremely feminine girl, I have my days, I love to get girly and dressed up, but for the most part, I wear tshirts every day, no makeup, and have a very athletic build so I’ve definitely experienced the “oh you must like girls because of the way you look” and man that gets me on a spiral like no other hahah.
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I totally understand what you mean! I'm not even really sure how I got past it but somehow I got to a point where it stopped feeling like it mattered so much what my orientation is? I mean, even now I'm not really 100% sure, but for some reason it doesn't feel as urgent and scary, and I'm okay with not strictly defining it. It's weird how brains deal with these things. But I wish you luck in dealing with it, I know it's really difficult.
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I agree with u. I was straight and happy living my life but hocd has been messing my head up so much that it’s almost took my life one day..I am still struggling but I am recovering slowly. It’s just so hard to tell other about this because they would just not understand thinking I am either lesbian or bi or homophobic
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hi, i think i saw one of your more recent posts and that you now identify as bisexual? can you elaborate on how hocd made you realize that?
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@missbluesky I just woke up one day with these thoughts that made me feel sick and wouldn’t leave me alone
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I don't have HOCD but I appreciate your insight. It seems like quite a few people have trouble accessing treatment or social support because of assumptions of homophobia or that it's "denial". That's so tricky, because HOCD isn't well known whereas severe coming-out anxiety is. I think it's also important to remember that the stigma is still a factor for a lot of people with HOCD- they may have gay or bi friends and family, but fear the uncertainty of the potential impact on their lives of the fear were true. Not just because it would be contrary to their sense of self and their hopes for the future, but because it really could bring judgment, violence or discrimination. Magolor has definitely found the key on HOCD by getting to that point, it can for sure be reached through reasoning and response-prevention. What's wild is that for people with HOCD, it's an incredibly triggering prospect to think of living without defining your orientation, because it feels so urgent while you're in the OCD. And yet it really is the answer. Some people will eventually have a very strong knowledge of their sexuality, some won't. I've never had HOCD and I don't know my sexuality or need to know or to put labels on it, as it seems 99.9% irrelevant to my life. I simply flirt with or date who I want. I watch the porn I want. I don't even think about it. When people ask about my sexuality I basically say "beats me". When I get a strong crush, I imagine a future with the person. Nothing about my sexuality can ever harm me because I don't harbour ideals about what my romantic life needs to look like. There's no part of me which is ever going to take some demented grip of my choices against my will and tell me that from now on I must and am only allowed to date some specific subset of people, I'm in charge of my choices. I believe everybody with HOCD can get to the same point as me.
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Exactly!! I'm a teenager dealing with this and since my anxiety spiked, my thoughts are telling me I'm lesbian or bi :/ Keep in mind that I HAVE NEVER felt any sexual or romantic attraction towards girls. I might have found them aesthetically attractive, but nothing more. It sucks man!
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Yeah I can't talk to my parents about this bc they would just think that I'm gay
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Idk how you feel about this but I'd think in some ways it'd help because a lot of the time the key to dealing with an obsession is to not be afraid of the uncertainty, like the obsession has less power when the idea of it being true doesn't scare you as much? BUT maybe that doesn't explain it entirely because obviously there are still plenty of people who suffer from HOCD. For a while I dealt with something like HOCD (except it was more fear of being straight, so it was just flipped) - and actually it's interesting to wonder about cuz it's not like being straight is taboo in society. But I think the thing that the obsession latches onto is the uncertainty, and the fear of secretly not being what you think you are? At least in my experience that's sorta what it was like. I don't know if this helps with anything but it's just what your thought made me think about
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- 5y
i definitely agree. im a bisexual woman my self so going through hocd was especially hard for me. the constant pressure to have ur sexuality figured out is immense and very very damaging esp with something like hocd.
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This is very true. Plus, a lot of articles talk only about HOCD as "the fear of being gay", but they don't mention that there are also lesbian/gay/bisexual/etc people that is also suffering from HOCD/SO-OCD.
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Truth is that a huge number of people on this app act like you just shat in your cornflakes if you bring up that fact at all. So that's a consequence of the fact articles don't talk about it. I've had people with HOCD demand I provide evidence that non straight people can have HOCD and in truth I hardly find anything at all online but there are LITERALLY people right here on this app who have had that experience.
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Thank you for this. Very important topic that’s unfortunately really relatable
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- 14w
I need too know that I'm not insane, really. I am 16 and for the past two weeks, this has been completely ruining my health and happiness. I only recently came out as a lesbian like 3 months ago after a lot of confusion about my attraction since I used to think I liked men. At first, I felt so sure that I liked women, but lately, I've been having these unwanted thoughts about the possibility of liking men. I never used to feel this way, but now, every time I look at a man, my brain obsessively fixates on it. It forces me to imagine kissing him, loving him, things I don’t want, and then tries to convince me that I do. It’s painful. The thought of this fills me with fear and anxiety, leading to panic attacks and breakdowns. I don’t want these thoughts. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but I’m terrified that one day I’ll act on them and somehow like it. I used to think I liked men, but back then, I was in a very unhealthy space in a time of escapism and something deeply parasocial. I’ve only ever liked the attention and validation a man could give me, but these experiences are somehow treated as further proof that I’m "bisexual." I’ve never been in a real relationship with anyone, which makes my brain constantly challenge me—telling me, “You don’t even know what love feels like.” It won’t shut up. It keeps obsessively trying to make me prove that I’m a lesbian, testing my reactions and questioning my certainty. Is this normal?
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trigger warning!!!!!! I’m really scared right now. I’ve been reading Elle Warren’s articles about her experience with HOCD/SO-OCD, and it feels so similar to mine. She went through the same fears of being a lesbian, felt distressed by her attraction to women, and spent hours ruminating, Googling, and analyzing her feelings. She even experienced groinal responses and revisited old memories, just like I do. Eventually, she had a moment of realization in college when she flirted with a girl, and everything clicked. She now identifies as a lesbian. I’m terrified that the same thing will happen to me. I thought the OCD fears were supposed to never be true and that HOCD thoughts are usually just compulsions that don’t end up being real. But reading her story, it’s like I’m seeing my own experience mirrored. What if it clicks for me, just like it did for her? What if I realize that I am a lesbian? Elle’s story makes me so scared. I thought my feelings of attraction to women were just OCD-driven, and now I’m questioning everything. I thought I was straight, but now, reading her journey, I’m wondering: could my OCD fears actually be real? Elle’s experience was very similar to mine: • She got distressed when she thought she might like women, not relieved. • She spent a lot of time ruminating, Googling, analyzing, and comparing. • Her attraction to women only became intense when her OCD flared up. • She said things like, “I feel peace when I believe I’m straight.” • She had already been diagnosed with OCD and had a history of this pattern. After years of fear and distress, Elle had a moment of calm and realized that it was true. I’m scared that this could happen to me too. Will I have a similar moment of acceptance, where everything clicks and I realize I’m gay? Or will I come to accept that this is all OCD, and that I’m straight, with the possibility that I’m not? I also keep thinking back to when my OCD lessened the first time. Did I go back to men because I wasn’t actually attracted to women, or was it just because the grip of the OCD had loosened? Elle also talked about the shame associated with non-heterosexuality. She mentioned that, like many of us, she had internalized stigma around being gay, and that it made her fear the possibility of being non-heterosexual. I can relate to this so much—growing up, I never saw it as an option to be anything other than straight, and now it’s hard to shake that fear and shame. Elle mentioned that she found reassurance in seeing other people with HOCD who worried that their fears would come true, but eventually realized they were just OCD thoughts. That idea is comforting, but also a little scary, because what if that moment of realization happens for me too? What if I finally accept that I am a lesbian? Or, what if I’m just struggling with OCD and eventually realize I’m straight? I just don’t know. The scariest part is that, just like Elle, I feel like I don’t have any obvious signs. She had no idea she was a lesbian until one day, everything clicked. She was 21, just like me when my OCD fears really flared up, and she had a breakthrough moment in Denver when she made friends with lesbians. That hasn’t happened for me yet, and it’s terrifying to think that it could happen in the future. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I’m really scared about where this will lead.
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- 7w
TW: SO-OCD. I have been a part of the NOCD community for around 4 years now. I am seeing more and more posts, but I am very rarely seeing people actually commenting, reposting and engaging back. I think I have always had obsessive thoughts, but never knew it was a thing until around 5 years ago. I believe my first theme was Harm OCD, when my little brother was first born in 2007. I used to scream at night as I was so worried he was going to be kidnapped, or he may d*e. I would avoid sleeping at friends house's, my dad's (as my parents had split) as I thought if I wasn't there to protect him then something bad would happen. My mum said she would wake up and I would be asleep net to his cot in the morning (I was only 10 at the time). Fast forward to 2017, where me and my high school boyfriend split up, I convinced myself I may be gay as I no longer wanted to have sex with him (almost found it a chore). I was 16/17. We split up and I lived my 'single' life. Spent my time dating males etc and then myself and my ex got back together in 2018. My intrusive thoughts took a turn for the worst in lockdown, when again may libido decreased significantly, and I didn't feel and ;urge' with my boyfriend sStill current partner). I remember one day, bursting into tears, had a panic attack and cried for hours with the most excruciating anxiety chest pains. I told him and my mum about my thoughts. They are both incredibly supportive and my mu actually told me that she had these thoughts too when she was round 19 and still does now (I also didn't know that COD can be inherited). After about 18 months of the worst mental health, significant weight loss, social thoughts and almost ending my relationship, I started to see light at the end of the tunnel. 2022, things started to get better. My partner and I were in the best place we could have EVER been! Sex life was AMAZING (quality of quantity I mean) and I honestly thought, this was the end. March 2024 I fell pregnant. Again, I had a great pregnancy, sec life was great, was so excited for our future. I have never been one to be bothered about marriage, but kept having this lovely vision of us getting married and our little girl walking down the aisle. Baby girls born in November 2024 and BAM, SO-OCD and ROCD have kicked in. I am now questioning my sexuality again, if I am in the right relationship, am I just 'settling'?, does he deserve me?, am I in denial?, what if we get married and then it turns out I am gay?, I don't want him to propose as I am scared etc. Just relentless every single day. I even question, if any of the conversations I have had with family and friends where they have related to me, were even real or if I made them up for my own comfort, so that I do't feel alone?! I am constantly reviewing past events, as I worry that I wanted to explore my sexuality in university, as I remember having an amazing friendship with a lesbian (who was, I am not afraid to admit, very 'handsome'), and we did flirt, as she did with everyone!! But we never took it any further, it never crossed my mind! I almost don't even get the 'anxiety/'sick' feeling anymore because I am SO used to the thoughts. I don't have an urge to act on my thoughts, but they are also no longer debilitating for me. I just feel exhausted with them. They are ALWAYS there. I have gone down the rabbit hole of avoiding meeting new women friends incase 'I find them attractive', if there is a same sex couple on a program I watch, I automatically avoid. I compare my relationship to others. I saw an insta reel yesterday of a women in her 30's that said 'when you're lay in bed with your husband, searching 'Am I Gay' questionnaires and you decide to divorce and follow your heart' and it was a page dedicated to her helping other mid life adults cope with coming out as gay! It really really really triggered me. I am just exhausted. If anybody else wants to share there story, comment below. It doesn't have to be the same sub types, but just an opportunity to vent!
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