Another Reddit thread that I want to share with you all that I think is immensely helpful, especially for the ones that think they're just in denial and using HOCD as an excuse. Also for the record, I'm an actual homosexual female who has straight/bisexual OCD and I can verify that the OP is fully right. I couldn't have put it into words better myself. --- This is going to be in a heterosexual female’s POV, so it’s going to be slightly different from males, and the vice versa gay people who are afraid to be bisexual or straight. But the logic behind this is all the same. Also, this is not meant to be reassurance, but more of the knowledge that I’ve accumulated after having this experience which I wanted to put into words for a clearer understanding. If you want to remove this post it is totally fine. Gay people know they are gay since a young age. They feel attractions to the same sex, but they may try to hide it as they get older as they fear that their attractions might be wrong. But deep down, they know who they’re attracted to. Bisexual people also know that they’re attracted to both sexes. To gay and bisexual individuals, feeling attractions towards the same sex is very natural to them. And even though they might feel it’s wrong, they still can’t help but feel an attraction. They feel the need to hide a part of who they are, which is their sexual identity. To them, thoughts about the same sex are enjoyable and pleasurable, even though it might spark guilt, but the key difference between a HOCD sufferer and an actual gay or bisexual person is that they do not fear these thoughts. These thoughts for gays and bisexuals are ego-syntonic. Here is the definition of ego-syntonic from wikipedia: In psychoanalysis, egosyntonic refers to the behaviors, values, and feelings that are in harmony with or acceptable to the needs and goals of the ego, or consistent with one's ideal self-image. On the other hand, HOCD sufferers have ego-dystonic thoughts. Egodystonic (or ego alien[1]) is the opposite, referring to thoughts and behaviors (dreams, compulsions, desires, etc.) that are in conflict, or dissonant, with the needs and goals of the ego, or, further, in conflict with a person's ideal self-image. Let me clarify this part about morals and values part of pure obsessions. Gay and bisexuals may feel that it’s wrong to feel attractions, but those thoughts are acceptable to them because it’s their true feelings towards the same sex. It’s all about how you feel deep down inside. To HOCD sufferers, these thoughts are not pleasurable and causes them discomfort, disgust and fear. I feel that the main component of distinguishing the two is the fear. Why would you fear what you are attracted to? No matter how wrong and forbidden it is. I don’t know if you’ve ever been there, but it’s just like having “inappropriate” crushes. We know it’s wrong and forbidden to have feelings for them, but we can’t help it because we can’t help feeling attracted to them. So this is the case for gay and bisexual people. They might feel wrong and disgusted of themselves of feeling this way, but not disgusted at the thoughts themselves. And they do not fear those thoughts like HOCD sufferers do. Gay people, when questioning their identity, might feel like it’s always on their mind. However, they do not spend hours and hours ruminating and checking. They may constantly question themselves, but it is part of their conscious efforts to be questioning themselves. For HOCD sufferers, we get constantly bombarded with unwanted thoughts and images, and we try to avoid and fight them because we are fearful and disgusted by those thoughts, and then we get stuck in the thought patterns because the more we try to stop these thoughts, the more it stays on our mind. And then we ruminate on these thoughts and check to see if we are attracted to the same sex. So there is a difference between actually questioning one’s identity and having intrusive, obsessive unwanted thoughts and images that triggers compulsions. Gay people fear that they won’t be accepted by their family, friends and society. They don’t fear being gay. They might wish they were straight, but only because it is accepted in society. But overall, they still enjoy their same sex attractions. They are not afraid to be gay, they might just be ashamed to be gay and afraid of the rejection. HOCD sufferers fear that they might be gay. They start to panic that they might not be straight after all. It causes them negative feelings. Personally, I ended up crying when me, as a heterosexual female, can no longer be with men if I were to suddenly “turn” or “realise” that I am bisexual or lesbian. Because I desperately want to be with men, and I love being with men, it feels natural and it feels right for me. Losing that opportunity to be together with men and having to be with women, feels forced and not something I would want, which causes me to be upset and depressed. Even if I were bisexual, it wouldn’t stop me from being with men because it’s still attraction towards both sexes. But it seems like my HOCD is stopping me from being with men altogether. It’s so clear that you want to be with the opposite sex. Nonetheless, HOCD will still make you feel like you were somehow gay and need to start being with the same sex, which doesn’t bring happiness despite you being accepted by society, because that’s just not what you really want. When speaking of heteronormativity, it might force naturally gay people to have heterosexual attractions. Hence, they force themselves to date the opposite sex, sex and marriage. It feels like something that they must do, not what they want to. They might not mind going through the motions of it, but they do not enjoy it. I believe everyone is capable for caring and loving everyone, but in different ways. So they may love and care for the opposite sex platonically, but fail to habour romantic, sexual bonds and intimacy. And this is why eventually, people start coming out as gay and leave their opposite sex partners. For HOCD sufferers, we enjoy having relationships with the opposite sex. We are comfortable having emotional intimate bonds and sexual activities with the opposite sex. It is what we want and what fufils our desires. This is why crushes are so important to determining your sexual identity. It’s about how we feel towards each sex. Heterosexuals grow up naturally feeling attractions towards the opposite sex, developing crushes, which is the desire to be with someone special in the romantic and sexual sense, not just platonically. Homosexuals feel the same way, just towards the same sex instead. Bisexuals have it more fluid, hence it might be confusing, but nevertheless, they are fully aware that they like both sexes, even if they are at different times. They just feel that liking both genders are natural to them. But they never realize that they are also doing the same to us. With social media and influences, I wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing, especially if it’s helping actual gays and bisexuals come to terms with their sexuality and come out and feel accepted. But it has became a trend and some people even feel that it’s cool to be different in that sense. And they say that we straight people are homophobic when some of them also diss straight people, or saying gay is cool and straight is boring etc. And they are also trying to find ways to tell people to accept themselves, and although it is good to accept oneself, they can’t base their experiences off themselves and label someone else’s sexuality and tell them to accept themselves that they are gay unless they genuinely feel that and want to. When people talk about it’s not just a phase, I understand that those who have felt that it’s truly a part of them, well, it’s not a phase for them. But however, it might be a phase for some naturally curious individuals who wonder what it’s like, but it doesn’t reflect anything on their identities. Next, I want to talk about the difference between identity crushes and romantic crushes. As girls, I believe that we are more susceptible to comparison, especially with beauty standards. I am aware that some people who are confused about their identity may question if they want to be like her or be with her, and the bisexual or gays may end up saying that it’s both or mainly the latter. For straight people, it’s the former. We want to be like them. They’re our ideal types of how we want to be like, not our ideal types of who we want to be with. We want to be more feminine like them, prettier, curvier, more confident, popular etc. We admire them for the qualities they possess which we wish to mimic. However, we don’t desire anything more than that. For bisexuals and gays, perhaps they fantasize about kissing them, holding hands, loving them, having sex etc. And they feel natural about it. Back to the explanations at the front, they might feel bad about it but they don’t fear it the way HOCD sufferers do when we get struck by these kinds of thoughts which previously didn’t even occur to us pre-HOCD. Basically, we never thought of the same sex this way until HOCD struck. Whereas gays and bisexuals think about it since the beginning and again, feels natural. So side note here: it is normal to find the same sex attractive, without being attracted to them. The reason why we fear these attractions so much is because all our lives, we’ve been straight. We’ve been crushing on the opposite sex, enjoying relationships with the opposite sex, everything with the opposite sex. When we suddenly have thoughts about the same sex, we aren’t used to it. It doesn’t feel like us. Hence, it makes us fearful. What if I were to be attracted to so-and-so? Gay people don’t ask what if they were attracted to someone. They just naturally feel attracted to the same sex, and perhaps wonder why they feel this way. Also, sometimes, when relationships don’t go our way, we fear that maybe we weren’t meant to be straight. But I believe that I truly have not found the right guy yet. Just because you have had negative relationships with the opposite sex, doesn’t mean you’re going to become gay. Just because we are straight or gay, doesn’t mean that we are going to be compatible with everyone of the opposite or same sex. Just like we all have types, or at least, we don’t just feel attracted to just everyone so long as they’re of the same sex. My HOCD has made me believe that I’m attracted to all same sex people, of all ages, attractive or unattractive in my opinion. And therefore it doesn’t make any sense. Gay people don’t just like everyone of the same sex either. If you’re not suited with some people of the opposite sex, don’t worry, you’ll find the one someday. You won’t become gay just because someone’s not right for you. Now we’ll go on to porn habits. I know that many HOCD sufferers are triggered by porn. I realized porn at a very young age and they were solo videos of females, and they got me off. Not because I imagined having sex with them, but because I imagined having their bodies, which was my ideal body type to have, and feeling sexy like them, and seducing men. And that turned me on. Lesbian porn does not get me off, but I know many straight females who do get off to lesbian porn, because they relate to the pleasure way more because women understand women’s bodies better. Maybe they don’t like violence in heterosexual porn, but I do because I’m a submissive person. I heard that lesbian porn is more sensual. But other than that, I heard that women are easily aroused by all types of porn, gay or straight. But in real life, they are still attracted to men and want to be together with men. It’s natural to be curious when we were all younger, so even early childhood experiments does not signify anything, or say things we discovered on the internet, example, lesbian porn. It’s only more than curiosity if you feel compelled to take it further than just be curious. So the bicurious label is for those who actually want to experience more to see if they are straight or bisexual, but their curiosity is making them want to experiment further. If the curiosity never goes any further, you may just be sexually curious. For me personally, my fantasies are what we desire but can’t have. I have fantasies about men all the way, never women. But I can understand people who have same sex fantasies. Again, they might just be curious and wonder what it’s like. In our minds, we are free to explore anything and everything, which is amazing! But it doesn’t mean that we want to pursue it in real life. They say that sexuality is a spectrum, and rarely people are fully heterosexual or homosexual, but we still nonetheless, identify as heterosexual if we are mainly attracted towards the opposite sex, and homosexual if we are mainly attracted towards the same sex, and bisexual if the attraction towards both sexes are prominent enough, not necessarily equal, but prominent. In the end, it all boils down to yourself and your own happiness. You’re not forced to do anything against your will. It’s your thoughts that are forcing you to be something you’re not, something you don’t want to be, something that you fear. To me, labels are only important if you want to go out and pursue same sex relations, or if you feel attractions towards the same sex which feels like a part of you where you’ve hidden all your life. Then you come out. If you don’t like the same sex and don’t want to be with them, it should be as simple and straightforward as you’re just heterosexual. Being gay is not a choice but your actions are a choice. Just do whatever the heck makes you happy. Be with whoever you want to. If you’re straight, just be happy with the opposite sex. If you’re bisexual, be happy with both sexes. If you’re gay, be happy with the same sex. It’s just as simple as that! What’s the need for the constant troubling thoughts that does nothing but to haunt us and cause us immense anxiety and pain? There’s absolutely no need for that. You are not your thoughts. You are suffering from pure obsessions. You are not gay, nor bisexual. Your thoughts are not going to stop you from living the life the way you want to. You got to believe in that. I believe in you, that you can make it out of this mess. We are all in this together. I know that as sufferers, we still do tend to check and stuff. Please try your best not to. If you’re trying exposure therapy, it teaches you not to link with other’s experiences with your own. You don’t search things up only to confuse yourself even more. I know the thoughts are absolutely disturbing and hard to shake off, but please try your best to just accept these thoughts, so the mind eventually loses its natural fight-or-flight responses to your perceived dangers of your thoughts. If you don’t feed the thoughts, you don’t give them the power to control you any further and trigger you. It’s tough, there’s going to be relapses, but things will eventually get better. Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HOCD/comments/awq3r0/what_i_learnt_from_having_hocd_for_almost_a_year/

TW: SO-OCD. I have been a part of the NOCD community for around 4 years now. I am seeing more and more posts, but I am very rarely seeing people actually commenting, reposting and engaging back. I think I have always had obsessive thoughts, but never knew it was a thing until around 5 years ago. I believe my first theme was Harm OCD, when my little brother was first born in 2007. I used to scream at night as I was so worried he was going to be kidnapped, or he may d*e. I would avoid sleeping at friends house's, my dad's (as my parents had split) as I thought if I wasn't there to protect him then something bad would happen. My mum said she would wake up and I would be asleep net to his cot in the morning (I was only 10 at the time). Fast forward to 2017, where me and my high school boyfriend split up, I convinced myself I may be gay as I no longer wanted to have sex with him (almost found it a chore). I was 16/17. We split up and I lived my 'single' life. Spent my time dating males etc and then myself and my ex got back together in 2018. My intrusive thoughts took a turn for the worst in lockdown, when again may libido decreased significantly, and I didn't feel and ;urge' with my boyfriend sStill current partner). I remember one day, bursting into tears, had a panic attack and cried for hours with the most excruciating anxiety chest pains. I told him and my mum about my thoughts. They are both incredibly supportive and my mu actually told me that she had these thoughts too when she was round 19 and still does now (I also didn't know that COD can be inherited). After about 18 months of the worst mental health, significant weight loss, social thoughts and almost ending my relationship, I started to see light at the end of the tunnel. 2022, things started to get better. My partner and I were in the best place we could have EVER been! Sex life was AMAZING (quality of quantity I mean) and I honestly thought, this was the end. March 2024 I fell pregnant. Again, I had a great pregnancy, sec life was great, was so excited for our future. I have never been one to be bothered about marriage, but kept having this lovely vision of us getting married and our little girl walking down the aisle. Baby girls born in November 2024 and BAM, SO-OCD and ROCD have kicked in. I am now questioning my sexuality again, if I am in the right relationship, am I just 'settling'?, does he deserve me?, am I in denial?, what if we get married and then it turns out I am gay?, I don't want him to propose as I am scared etc. Just relentless every single day. I even question, if any of the conversations I have had with family and friends where they have related to me, were even real or if I made them up for my own comfort, so that I do't feel alone?! I am constantly reviewing past events, as I worry that I wanted to explore my sexuality in university, as I remember having an amazing friendship with a lesbian (who was, I am not afraid to admit, very 'handsome'), and we did flirt, as she did with everyone!! But we never took it any further, it never crossed my mind! I almost don't even get the 'anxiety/'sick' feeling anymore because I am SO used to the thoughts. I don't have an urge to act on my thoughts, but they are also no longer debilitating for me. I just feel exhausted with them. They are ALWAYS there. I have gone down the rabbit hole of avoiding meeting new women friends incase 'I find them attractive', if there is a same sex couple on a program I watch, I automatically avoid. I compare my relationship to others. I saw an insta reel yesterday of a women in her 30's that said 'when you're lay in bed with your husband, searching 'Am I Gay' questionnaires and you decide to divorce and follow your heart' and it was a page dedicated to her helping other mid life adults cope with coming out as gay! It really really really triggered me. I am just exhausted. If anybody else wants to share there story, comment below. It doesn't have to be the same sub types, but just an opportunity to vent!

Hi, I'm new to this and it took me a long time to gather the courage to post, but I could really use some advice. This will be a long post because I don't know how not to overexplain, please bear with me. I'm yet to be diagnosed with anything, so I'm not sure if this is one of the ways OCD can present itself, but I'm really hoping it's just soocd and nothing else. I'm 22F, cis and straight all my life as far as I know, but back in April, in a particularly exhausting day, I had an intrusive thought about liking women after seeing some random post on twitter and I've been spiraling ever since, with thoughts and anxiety non-stop trying to figure out an answer. I've noticed that my thoughts have been obsessing over this in a loop, where I question if I'm a lesbian or bi (I really really don't want to be, though I have nothing against the lgbt community) > question if I'm aro/ace (also really don't want to be, I'd be super depressed if I were because that would stop me from living the life I've always dreamed of) > question if I'm simply afraid of getting in a relationship and why. It's this loop where I can't figure anything out, my brain feels like it's in the middle of a storm. Looking back, I think I might have had rocd in my last relationship because I kept messaging my boyfriend asking for reassurance if he loved me and wouldn't leave me, but the reassurance only lasted at best a day before the doubts came back and I felt the need to ask again, and this lasted for months if not years. Now I've never questioned my orientation, I just knew I was straight (always crushed on boys, craved their attention and love, male celebrities, male characters, always fantasized about having a husband and kids, never felt anything towards women that way, never considered them as partners) until this one intrusive thought caused me to spiral out of control and I've never been the same since. This in and of itself should be enough to prove to my brain that I'm straight and have always been, right? Logically it should, it makes no sense otherwise... But it's not enough, so I've been googling non-stop, been reading so many posts here that I relate to for reassurance, been reviewing my memories, ruminating all day and night, testing myself by looking at pictures of men and women to check for reactions (when I'm not avoiding looking at them altogether). Even when I feel that my mind is quieter, the anxiety is still there, and I keep trying to affirm what I've always believed to see if I still agree and it's like my body preemptively gets anxious expecting the thoughts to return and then uses that anxiety as evidence that the thoughts are true when I really don't want them to be... I guess all of these count as compulsions? It's bad to the point anything lgbt-related triggers me now when it never did before (I was always like "good for them, but that's not for me" towards any kind of lgbt content, I've never identified with the community nor do I want to be part of it still), I can barely get anything done, get out of the house, spend time with my friends, listen to music or watch movies, focus on what I need to do, eat, sleep or even just enjoy my hobbies. The anxiety is always there, my mind feels like it'll explode and I feel like my life will be over if I don't figure this out now so I can fix it. I think I've also been experiencing false attractions and loss of attraction, which is making all of this worse, because my mind is trying to find out why they're happening and using them as evidence that I'm one thing or another... I never had any feelings towards women before this all started but I'm so scared I might have now all of a sudden when I don't want to. It's exhausting, I just want to be able to live normally again. The what ifs don't stop: what if I find out I'm actually what my fears say I am? What if I'm one of those late bloomer lesbians? What if I'm in denial? What if I'm just saying I've always wanted men due to comphet? What if I actually never find out and I'll be ruminating over this my entire life and won't be able to live? What if I'm lying to myself? What if I've always been that and never known? What if others find out I'm having these thoughts? What if it's not OCD and I'm making excuses and this is all true? What if it's always been a subconscious desire and I didn't know? What if I have sex with a man and don't like it actually? What if I'm aro/ace and that means I'll never be able to have a family one day? What if I have no choice? What if that one memory where you enjoyed time with a female friend means you're gay actually? What if I'm never able to love a man ever again despite having been able to in the past? The idea of being with a woman is absolutely terrifying to me, I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of being a lesbian or bi or anything, while the idea of being with a man only causes me some anxiety but feels more right. I've had very few experiences with relationships, most were unfortunately long distance, and I'm currently single so I can't even gauge my attraction or feelings that way, but I'm so tempted to seek a relationship because of this to prove I'm still straight... I also have GAD and might have depression, so that may be contributing to all of this... I just feel like my life is over, I can't live like this. I can't handle my mind constantly looking for proof that I'm lesbian or bi, using the fact that I enjoy my mom's hugs or my female friends' company to say "see?? I was right and you're lesbian!!" when I never once in my life ever thought of women that way, I don't understand why this is happening 😭😭 And to make it worse, it's also latching onto the past and using it as proof that I must have always been a lesbian without knowing and it's making me feel like I actually wanted it, when at the time I never thought of it that way. Like, me enjoying the company of one of my best friends or sharing a common interest with her doesn't mean I'm gay?? Caring about my friends isn't gay?? Being a girl who likes girly things doesn't make me gay?? But the thoughts are always like "no you're lying, you're just in denial, you actually felt xyz back then that's why you wanted her company" or "are you sure?". The thoughts also latch on the fact that I find incel, gooner and misogynistic behavior disgusting (which might be poisoning my opinion about men as well even though I don't want it to 😭), and they tell me I'm a lesbian because of it, which only makes me more depressed. But no matter how much I try to argue, it's never enough, the doubts are always there and it's making me have so many panic attacks they wake me up at night and don't let me rest. I'm so scared of accepting the thoughts because I fear that accepting them will make me actually a lesbian when I really don't want to be (and I keep claiming I don't want to be and my mind keeps throwing the "are you sure? you're not sure" around, it never ends 😭). It feels so real, I'm so scared. I'll add this as well because I feel is relevant, but these thoughts/spirals have also tried latching onto my religious beliefs (I have none, but they tried to convince me I did after I saw a post on social media) and onto my gender identity (they tried convincing me I wanted to be a trans man, when in fact I've always wanted to look more feminine, because I'm so thin I barely have boobs and it's always been a huge source of insecurity for me). These, however, haven't returned, unlike the spirals about my sexual orientation and mainly about being lesbian/bi. I think I may have had at best a week free from this obsession, and even when I'm distracted I feel like they're always somewhere near my mind just waiting to snatch it from me again. If I manage to calm down, my mind will also use that against me, saying stuff like "see, you're calm now, which means you've accepted you're a lesbian!!" and I get all depressed and anxious again and want to cry but can't because I'm so tired. I just don't want that to be true, I want my normal life back 😭 I know I shouldn't ask for reassurance, but I can't calm down. My life has been a living hell ever since this started, I feel unable to live, I just want to go back to how I was before all of this started. Is this HOCD/SOOCD at all? Can anyone else relate to this? Please tell me I'm not alone on these experiences, that I'm not what these thoughts claim... My mind is so close to fully convincing me that I am what they say and it's making me so depressed and anxious 😭😭 and it feels so real, like I'm already what they say I am and I'm chasing something that's no longer there. I'm so scared. I don't want to accept any possibility, I don't want to explore or "figure it out", I just want to be secure with my straight orientation again as I've always been, but there seems to be so much evidence of the contrary and I can't live with that possibility. How could I become a lesbian in the span of a few months when I never wanted that?? 😭 I'm so depressed, I miss crushing on men and wanting a husband and kids, I'm tired of arguing with my mind non-stop. I feel like I've been so full of doubts that I can barely affirm my favorite color, I can't remember what's like to be free from this madness, it's like from one moment to another I lost myself amidst this chaos and no longer know the stuff I've always known about myself. How do I go back to how I was before? How do I stop this without changing to be something I don't want? How do I get rid of these doubts that aren't supposed to mean anything but are scaring the shit out of me because what if they're true and I'm one of those cases where I'll become the sexuality I fear? I cannot bear the thought. It's been nightmarish 😭😭

Hey everyone, I’m reaching out because I’ve been going through one of the hardest mental spirals of my life, and I’m hoping someone can relate or shed light on what’s happening to me. About 4 months ago, I accidentally came across a trans porn scene. It didn’t do much at the time, but later it triggered this overwhelming intrusive thought: “What if I’m gay?” Since then, it’s been absolute hell. I’ve always been into women—emotionally, sexually, everything. I’ve been in a long-term relationship with a girl I love deeply. But after that moment, my brain started spiraling into nonstop analysis. I began checking how I felt around men, whether I felt attraction, whether I was in denial, whether I was lying to myself. Literally everything became a test. I got stuck in this loop: • A thought pops in → panic • Try to solve it → brief relief • Another thought → worse panic • Repeat. At times, it got so bad I couldn’t feel anything at all—toward my girlfriend, toward women, toward myself. I started doubting everything. Some days, I feel emotionally flat, like I’ve lost my personality. Other days, I wake up with a full-body jolt of “truth” like “I’m definitely gay”—only for it to fade into numbness again. I’ve also noticed that I get short bursts of peace when I stop reacting, but then the fear comes back louder, like “See? Now you’re accepting it. That means it’s true.” Therapy hasn’t helped much so far—it felt more like general counseling. They told me to sit with the thoughts, but didn’t clarify if this was OCD, identity questioning, or trauma. That just made it worse because now I’m back to thinking “What if I’m just rejecting my truth?” I’m exhausted. I’ve lost connection to everything I used to love. • I want to love my girl again the way I used to • I want to feel desire without overthinking • I want to trust myself again I’m not looking for reassurance—I just want to know if anyone else has gone through something like this, and if this sounds like HOCD or identity OCD. Thanks for reading.