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We can't erase thoughts. The brain doesn't "unlearn" anything. The neural connections for the unwanted thought are already there. Remember, the point of exposure is to create opportunities for response prevention. The idea is to create strengthen pathways that bypass the emotional response and let us behave normally so that they are bigger and more available than the pathways from the thoughts to distress and compulsions
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You don't actually think of it to the point that you believe it. You repeat the words, phrase, scene, imagine whatever, without attaching anything to it. If you are internalizing it you are doing it wrong. And if you are internalizing it, yes, you would believe it. But right now the way our brain is working we think of something, get intensely scared, and do something to calm it. So our brain believes that it's actually scary. With ERP you trigger the scary sensation (which would come anyway) but instead of reacting to decrease the fear you just confront it head on. Then all of a sudden it looses its fear and becomes just a thought, just a word, just a phrase, just a picture, ect. So it retrains our brain to ignore it, ie. It isn't important.
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I've internalized my fears.
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@hateocd123 Me too, don't worry, it's hard. I had my first ERP session yesterday and experienced "exposure" without internalizing and it was pretty cool. But then there was some that I definitely failed at and internalized. It's a challenge for sure.
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You're internalizing something when you believe it. For me this manifests in a switch from intense anxiety to intense sadness and depression or suicidal thinking. If you're scared you want to kill your family it's going to put you in panic mode, if you actually think you want to you are going to want to die (kill yourself before you kill them kind of thing). You'll stop searching for evidence for and against it and just be really insanely depressed. So with ERP it's the same, the rush of emotions the words bring you may be anger, guilt, shame, sadness, whatever but it comes on strong, peaks and diminishes. If you are internalizing your whole demeaner will change, you will look heart broken and you won't have a peak and recovery, you will just be increasingly depressed.
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This is something I think about all of the time
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How do you know if you are internalizing it?
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During ERP or in general?
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Both?
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Even the thought process of, "do I really believe this? Is this really true? Or trying to actually feel it to see if it's true is a compulsion. These things have to be avoided. When you do Erp you're focusing on the words and the emotions that the words bring. If you take the time to stop and actually try to feel what you're saying that's a compulsion and you'll notice because you're in your head instead of saying the words.
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And dang it, now I want to recreate yesterday's session and try to "feel" everything to see if it resonates. ?
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Gotcha. Thanks!
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I internalised an OCD a couple of times. Once from the intensity of the thoughts/suggestibility, and once later after ERP. I'm gonna use a different example as I don't need to accidentally go into a confession compulsion. So, imagine if I had an OCD that last night I got belligerent while I was drunk and badly hurt someone in a bar fight. I had woken up the next morning with a bad hangover not remembering the entire night perfectly, some blurry bits, and I had the OCD thought appear. I was able to soothe the worry quickly by my friends saying I didn't, but the worry still came up sometimes, for a few months and I would dismiss it. One day someone brought up the fact I'd had an argument with someone that night, and said they heard there had been a fight at that bar that night, and said they thought it was me. So for a moment I believed it and an entire plausible chain of reasoning for why that could've been me. I even had feelings that I must've done it very much on purpose and over some very petty reason, in order to be feeling so guilty. Boom, internalised. But then quickly realised that for various reasons it still didn't make sense- I had no sore hands, my friends knew I hadn't, I didn't have any actual memories of any part of that etc. I spent 5 years fighting with that OCD at times and usually not believing it because no consequences happened, no other reports of a bar fight etc, and I was able to take my mind off it over the years, so less ruminating meant less belief. I'd even seen the guy I thought I had attacked and he was cool with me. But the OCD sense of ignoring something important/the guilt never really went away, I just learned to repress it and get on with my life. Then I did ERP for the niggling feelings of guilt about the topic which were left that. I ended up being very sure I never killed anyone in a bar fight but I still had some remaining belief that I'd done something wrong that night. I no longer felt guilty, I was able to look back and remember a few things I did wrong that night, like butting in the queue for the bar and having a brief conflict with a guy (where he spilled his drink on me and I went "for fucks sake mate" and walked off). I can see I was in a bad mood that night. And in gradually able to develop self compassion for it. But because those things don't seem to account for the amount of guilt and worry I felt, I start feeling like there must have been more. So I settle on the idea that I probably shoved the guy and I can live with that idea. I apologise to the guy, who says he can't remember that but accepts the apology. Actually this analogy is way off for what actually happened to me, but it's functional. With the first internalisation I just ignored my own memory and logic and took all circumstantial stuff plus my worry and made a plausible reality based on the idea that my feelings were accurate. The second time was after doing ERP because I didn't know I had OCD so I was still looking for reasons for my guilt and settled on something which seemed more plausible. I still regret being short with the dude and not acting my best. But I have learned to live with it instead of using it as "evidence". Look, don't worry, ERP doesn't make you believe something just by getting used to the anxiety caused by the idea of it being real. It just takes away the strong feelings. Once that's gone you can freely decide how probable your concern is (via getting input from others or just your own wisdom) without your feelings getting in the way. Just don't do what I did and try to find a reason based in reality for an experience of OCD. I felt I'd done something NOT because I really had but because I had a core belief that I was dangerous, backed up by stuff from my past which I was also viewing in a way that was too harsh and non-understanding (like, memories of fights but it wasn't me who started them).
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- 23w
I read about ERP and have seen information about it on here. One of the goals is to say, "maybe I am this or that...ect." That terrified me. The thoughts and images that go in my head are disturbing and upsetting. I don't want to even think about saying, "maybe this or that." It's devasting to have these thoughts and question why you're having these thoughts. Doesn't the "maybe" make it worse? The one thing that helps me is that is to remind myself that these are just thoughts and I know I'm not a monster, even if I feel like one. Is ERP not for everyone? Has anyone else had a problem with the techniques used in this kind of therapy? I had cognitive therapy for years with an OCD specialist and that seemed to help a lot. Writing out the worst case scenarios would make me suicidal. Im having a difficult time not obsessing over the "maybe" after intrusive thoughts now. It doesn't make it better.
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I'm trying to get my head around ERP. What is the best way to describe how it's a "solution." Imo I think OCD happens with people who are very concerned with their own genuine integrity and probably their own "morality." So when something (like an uncomfortable "real event" that actually happened) messes that up, it's hard to grapple with that...hence the endless rumination and trying to "problem solve" it. But the mind doesn't let you sleep (i.e. OCD) if something is controversial and doesn't sit with you. Or if you obsess over something and it's based on a rooted fear. You just can't "let it go," it has to be addressed and dealt with. But what happens when it is NEVER dealt with? How does ERP address that dilemma as a permanent solution? Or does ERP only address compulsions and anxiety, but it doesn't actually deal with the issue causing it. Do you ever get REAL peace of mind? Or is just something to make you feel "less anxious" etc? Thanks I just want peace of mind. I haven't had true peace of mind in several years.
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I had an "OCD episode" several months back from NOT doing the compulsion. Or at least not "resolving" / dealing with the intrusive thought. What if "Not" dealing with it creates an issue that never subsides or makes you worse? This sounds dramatic, but I literally feel and believe like I was psychologically traumatized by not doing a compulsion --- which for me has been ruminating and "problem solving" to "deal" with whatever "challenge" / intrusive thought comes up. When I wasn't able to "deal" with it properly in a kind of stalemate, the "anxiety" last for at least a month. And it was severe -- brain fog, sundowning, cognitive difficulties, I think maybe even disassociation. You could even call it a mental breakdown and burnout (from OCD itself). Even went to a neurologist 'cause I think thought there was brain damage or some sht. I'm STILL recovery from that. I feel worse cognitively, and even think it that episode pushed me into some type of clinical depression. So isn't that lovely that "not dealing with the OCD / not doing the compulsion" is actually a shtty choice (for me) as well.
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