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We can't erase thoughts. The brain doesn't "unlearn" anything. The neural connections for the unwanted thought are already there. Remember, the point of exposure is to create opportunities for response prevention. The idea is to create strengthen pathways that bypass the emotional response and let us behave normally so that they are bigger and more available than the pathways from the thoughts to distress and compulsions
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You don't actually think of it to the point that you believe it. You repeat the words, phrase, scene, imagine whatever, without attaching anything to it. If you are internalizing it you are doing it wrong. And if you are internalizing it, yes, you would believe it. But right now the way our brain is working we think of something, get intensely scared, and do something to calm it. So our brain believes that it's actually scary. With ERP you trigger the scary sensation (which would come anyway) but instead of reacting to decrease the fear you just confront it head on. Then all of a sudden it looses its fear and becomes just a thought, just a word, just a phrase, just a picture, ect. So it retrains our brain to ignore it, ie. It isn't important.
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I've internalized my fears.
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@hateocd123 Me too, don't worry, it's hard. I had my first ERP session yesterday and experienced "exposure" without internalizing and it was pretty cool. But then there was some that I definitely failed at and internalized. It's a challenge for sure.
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You're internalizing something when you believe it. For me this manifests in a switch from intense anxiety to intense sadness and depression or suicidal thinking. If you're scared you want to kill your family it's going to put you in panic mode, if you actually think you want to you are going to want to die (kill yourself before you kill them kind of thing). You'll stop searching for evidence for and against it and just be really insanely depressed. So with ERP it's the same, the rush of emotions the words bring you may be anger, guilt, shame, sadness, whatever but it comes on strong, peaks and diminishes. If you are internalizing your whole demeaner will change, you will look heart broken and you won't have a peak and recovery, you will just be increasingly depressed.
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This is something I think about all of the time
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How do you know if you are internalizing it?
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During ERP or in general?
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Both?
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Even the thought process of, "do I really believe this? Is this really true? Or trying to actually feel it to see if it's true is a compulsion. These things have to be avoided. When you do Erp you're focusing on the words and the emotions that the words bring. If you take the time to stop and actually try to feel what you're saying that's a compulsion and you'll notice because you're in your head instead of saying the words.
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And dang it, now I want to recreate yesterday's session and try to "feel" everything to see if it resonates. ?
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Gotcha. Thanks!
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I internalised an OCD a couple of times. Once from the intensity of the thoughts/suggestibility, and once later after ERP. I'm gonna use a different example as I don't need to accidentally go into a confession compulsion. So, imagine if I had an OCD that last night I got belligerent while I was drunk and badly hurt someone in a bar fight. I had woken up the next morning with a bad hangover not remembering the entire night perfectly, some blurry bits, and I had the OCD thought appear. I was able to soothe the worry quickly by my friends saying I didn't, but the worry still came up sometimes, for a few months and I would dismiss it. One day someone brought up the fact I'd had an argument with someone that night, and said they heard there had been a fight at that bar that night, and said they thought it was me. So for a moment I believed it and an entire plausible chain of reasoning for why that could've been me. I even had feelings that I must've done it very much on purpose and over some very petty reason, in order to be feeling so guilty. Boom, internalised. But then quickly realised that for various reasons it still didn't make sense- I had no sore hands, my friends knew I hadn't, I didn't have any actual memories of any part of that etc. I spent 5 years fighting with that OCD at times and usually not believing it because no consequences happened, no other reports of a bar fight etc, and I was able to take my mind off it over the years, so less ruminating meant less belief. I'd even seen the guy I thought I had attacked and he was cool with me. But the OCD sense of ignoring something important/the guilt never really went away, I just learned to repress it and get on with my life. Then I did ERP for the niggling feelings of guilt about the topic which were left that. I ended up being very sure I never killed anyone in a bar fight but I still had some remaining belief that I'd done something wrong that night. I no longer felt guilty, I was able to look back and remember a few things I did wrong that night, like butting in the queue for the bar and having a brief conflict with a guy (where he spilled his drink on me and I went "for fucks sake mate" and walked off). I can see I was in a bad mood that night. And in gradually able to develop self compassion for it. But because those things don't seem to account for the amount of guilt and worry I felt, I start feeling like there must have been more. So I settle on the idea that I probably shoved the guy and I can live with that idea. I apologise to the guy, who says he can't remember that but accepts the apology. Actually this analogy is way off for what actually happened to me, but it's functional. With the first internalisation I just ignored my own memory and logic and took all circumstantial stuff plus my worry and made a plausible reality based on the idea that my feelings were accurate. The second time was after doing ERP because I didn't know I had OCD so I was still looking for reasons for my guilt and settled on something which seemed more plausible. I still regret being short with the dude and not acting my best. But I have learned to live with it instead of using it as "evidence". Look, don't worry, ERP doesn't make you believe something just by getting used to the anxiety caused by the idea of it being real. It just takes away the strong feelings. Once that's gone you can freely decide how probable your concern is (via getting input from others or just your own wisdom) without your feelings getting in the way. Just don't do what I did and try to find a reason based in reality for an experience of OCD. I felt I'd done something NOT because I really had but because I had a core belief that I was dangerous, backed up by stuff from my past which I was also viewing in a way that was too harsh and non-understanding (like, memories of fights but it wasn't me who started them).
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- 25w
ERP helping people as opposed to turning them into the bad thing doesn't make sense to me. How is fixating on the uncomfortable thought not going to turn you into a criminal minds episode?
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If your mind purposely keeps fetching a repetitive word, and you’re afraid it will never go away, is the ERP therapy to STOP the mind from doing it? Or ALLOW the mind to do it, and not react? Also, is repeating a word in your head a mental compulsion? Or would that be the obsession? So then what’s the compulsion? Posting on here? Lol
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I had just posted a summary of ERP for a group member, and I thought it might be useful for everybody. Here it is below (with a little extra added)…. ERP therapy is researched-based. Most other therapies don’t work. There have been people who have been literally stuck in their houses (from their OCD) who gained their lives back through ERP therapy. NOCD does ERP therapy exclusively. You can find it in other places too, but you have to ask around. There are two tenants of ERP therapy: The first one has to do with the repetitive thoughts inside our heads. These thoughts are actually defined as “obsessions”. You are not supposed to do anything with the obsessions. You are supposed to let them run through your head freely, without trying to fix them or stop them. Imagine a tree planted by a river. The leaves fall off and float down the river. You can see the leaves falling, but you don’t try to stop them or pick them up. You don’t try to fix them. You just let them float away. This is really important to do with your obsessive thoughts. The more you try to fight them off, the worse they get. I used to have blasphemous sentences running in my head 24/7. I felt like I had to put a “not” next to each sentence in order to “fix” it. But this just took hours of my time every day, and it was very scary, because I was worried that if I messed up, that I would go to hell. It was very freeing to learn later that I could just let those sentences run freely through my head without trying to fix them. The second part of ERP therapy is all about “denying your compulsions.” Every time OCD tells you that if you don’t do things a certain way that something really bad will happen, that is a compulsion. Once you recognize what your compulsions are, ERP therapy will have you practice stopping doing all of those things. For some people, that will mean stopping washing their hands or touching lights switches or, in my case, putting “fixing” words in their head. Compulsions are safety behaviors. During ERP therapy, you will practice stopping engaging with safety behaviors. All this is very hard to do and scary, so during therapy you will be given tools to help you deal with the fear. Often ERP therapy will take people from being non-functional to functional. I highly recommend it. ————————————————- PITFALL #1: After you have been doing ERP for a while and become somewhat successful, the OCD will try subtle little tricks to bring you down again. The first one is to tell you that your thoughts are REAL and not OCD, and therefore you can’t apply ERP therapy. Don’t fall for this trick! All thoughts are just thoughts. They are all meaningless. Don’t try to figure out what is real and what is OCD. Just treat all thoughts with ERP therapy. PITFALL #2: The second pitfall is that OCD will tell you that you can’t move forward unless you have absolute certainty that you will be safe. Hate to tell you this, folks, but there is no certainty in life. You will never know for SURE that you or your loved ones will be “safe” from the OCD rules. Therefore, you have to move forward in the uncertainty. It’s hard, but it gets easier with time and practice. We got this, guys !!!!!!
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