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How to Stop Ruminating I’m in the process of writing a more thorough manual about how to stop ruminating, but I wanted to make a barebones version available in the meantime: Here is the basic exercise I use to teach people how to stop ruminating: Identify a problem that you usually ruminate about. Your job is to not try to solve that problem. Do not try to push it out of your mind or forget about it. Don’t actively try to keep it in mind either. It can be there or not be there; it doesn’t matter. Your only job is to not try to solve it. If you were able to do this: Awesome. This is what it means not to ruminate. It doesn’t mean you forget about the problem. It just means you stop trying to solve it. Since you’ve now shown yourself that you are able to stop ruminating, if there are times in the future when you feel like you can’t stop, it’ll probably be because you’re justifying it. Remember that you do know how to stop, and you just need to make a clear decision to do so. If you had trouble with this exercise, what follows is a list of the problems people most frequently encounter, and a brief explanation of what to do about each one. If you feel like you are working hard or feel anxious throughout the exercise, there is probably something wrong with your approach, and you should consult the list below: “It keeps popping into my mind.” That’s fine. It can pop in, or even just stay there. That’s not a problem. The problem is trying to solve it. If it pops in, just refrain from trying to solve it. “I was able to stop but it was really hard. I don’t know if I could keep this up all the time.” Sounds like you’re imagining that if you don’t hold it back, the rumination will come flooding in. It won’t. Rumination doesn’t happen to you; you do it. Think of this like stepping off of a treadmill, not holding back floodwaters. “I keep trying to think about other things but it’s still there.” You don’t need to actively try to distract yourself by thinking about other things. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, you wouldn’t try to distract yourself; you would just stop. Do the same thing here. “I keep trying to stay present/mindful but my mind keeps wandering.” You don’t need to do mindfulness or be present. You can think about whatever you want, or let your mind wander. Your only job is not to solve the problem. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, you wouldn’t need to do mindfulness; you would just stop. Do the same thing here. “I don’t know what to do instead.” Literally anything. You don’t need to do anything instead; your only job is not to solve this problem. If I asked you to stop solving a math problem, what would you do instead? Whatever you wanted. Just don’t solve the math problem. If I asked you to get off of a treadmill, what would you do instead? Whatever you wanted. “I keep thinking about how to stop solving it” or ”I keep worrying that I’m ruminating.” Stop trying to figure out how to stop. That’s rumination, too. If the thought occurs to you that you might be doing it wrong, treat that the same way as the original problem: don’t try to solve it. For further discussion, check out Ruminating about Ruminating. “I’m not solving it exactly but I can’t stop thinking about it anyway.” It sounds like you’re directing your attention toward it, like looking over your shoulder to see if it’s there. Try to stop doing this. If you notice it, that’s fine, but try to let go of actively monitoring it. “I’m not trying to figure it out exactly, but I can’t stop seeing disturbing images or scenes.” Except in very unusual circumstances, you can’t really visualize something clearly or for a long time without doing so on purpose. The most visualizing that can happen outside your control is a vague image occurring to you for a brief moment. You are probably visualizing these things on purpose in an effort to figure something out (e.g., by checking your response to the images). “I still felt uneasy (or any other way).” That’s okay, that doesn’t mean you’re ruminating. Don’t try to control your feelings. Control your thinking. “I got upset whenever it came back into my mind.” That makes sense, since this is a problem that upsets you. Being upset about this problem doesn’t mean you’re ruminating. In fact, you’ll probably be reminded of this problem often, and you may feel upset for a moment, or even longer; your job is to refrain from trying to solve it anyway. Don’t try to control your feelings. Control your thinking. These are the problems people have most frequently when learning how to stop ruminating. There are some additional problems that people frequently encounter when they try to eliminate rumination at all times. For help with these, check out I Know How to Stop Ruminating but I Can’t Seem to Stop All the Time.
You should have cited that you took this from Dr. Greenberg’s website
Different therapists and researchers (and farmers, actually) use the word rumination in different ways, and that makes it important to define exactly what I mean when I use that word. When I talk about rumination, I’m talking about any type of mental engagement with the problem; put another way, I’m talking about shifting into problem-solving mode. This includes analyzing, mental reviewing, mental checking, visualizing, monitoring, and even directing attention toward the problem.* Crucially, all of these mental processes are controllable. They don’t happen to us; we do them on purpose.** I group all of the above mental processes together not only because they serve a similar function and are controllable, but because they are all characterized by a subjective experience of mental engagement with the problem.I believe it is easier to see the totality of rumination when you think about it as mental engagement with the problem, broadly speaking, rather than several discrete mental processes. Without a broad enough definition of rumination, aspects of this compulsion persist unnoticed, and continue to cause anxiety. But my purpose is not to argue semantics. Call it rumination or call it quidditch, mental engagement with the problem is what I am talking about when I talk about rumination. The above definition of rumination excludes: a thought (or vague image) occurring to you; knowing; and noticing. These mental phenomena are not aimed at solving the problem, they are not controllable, and they are not the problem. It’s the mental engagement with these thoughts, the effort to ‘solve’ them, that is the problem. Thus, according to this definition: A thought occurring to you? Not rumination. But trying to figure out what the thought means or whether to believe it or how to make it go away? Rumination. Knowing you have a distressing problem or question? Not rumination. But trying to solve or answer it? Rumination. Noticing something? Not rumination. But monitoring it or directing attention toward it? Rumination. A vague image occurring to you? Not rumination. But visualizing something? Rumination. It is absolutely crucial for therapists and patients to know exactly where the line is between uncontrollable mental processes and controllable ones because OCD is largely a product of trying to control the mental processes you can’t control, while failing to control the ones you can and should control. And helping a patient to make this distinction and to adjust their strategy accordingly is, in my opinion, a foundation of effective treatment. To put this in terms of ERP, it is crucial to accurately distinguish between the obsession and the compulsion. As I’ve said elsewhere, I believe that rumination, as defined above, is the cornerstone of OCD, as well as all other anxiety disorders. I therefore believe that teaching a person to recognize and eliminate rumination is essential to effective treatment. And a prerequisite for this intervention is a definition of rumination that is broad enough to capture all manifestations of this phenomenon. Notes: *More or less anything that would be included in Kahneman’s System 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow **Compulsive ruminators feel as though they can’t stop, but in reality they’re just conflicted. There is indeed a part of them that wants to stop, but there’s another part of them that is trying to solve the problem, and these are mutually exclusive goals.
This is the best way I’ve ever heard anybody explain it. Thank you
Are you straight or gay?
Bruh. I’m straight.
Ok The problem is you’re ruminating Do you know what rumination is?
Yeah. I got extremely anxious when you asked me that question btw. I’m just trying to watch a show and I get this constant feeling and thought in the back of my mind
@notoOCD I am gonna send you something that will help you with your thoughts I am gonna send you what rumination is And i am gonna send you how to overcome thoughts ok
@snuggle Puggly Okay
@notoOCD This is something to help you understand how to overcome
Hey DADO, are you there? I’d love to chat about how you’re getting better by not ruminating. I’m having trouble.
I am here now
I am gonna chat with you until i put smile on your face 😂
@DADO Thanks so much 😂 I have read Greenberg’s articles a bunch and I love his view! When I do exposures but don’t ruminate about the threat, I feel much better. My problem now is that I have an obsession about doing the therapy wrong. I refrain from ruminating about that and move on, but I still feel anxious. He says that if you’re feeling anxious, you’re directing your attention to it in some way, and that led me to ruminating for hours on why I was feeling anxious and how to stop ruminating. No matter how much I tried to stop ruminating and just let the concern go entirely, I still felt anxious, which makes me want to ruminate on what I’m doing wrong. So I either feel anxious which means I’m ruminating according to him, or I ruminate about why I’m feeling anxious, which I’m not supposed to do! Is it ever okay to feel anxious when I refrain from rumination? Otherwise I spend hours ruminating on what I’m doing wrong and how to do it right, which is a big no-no too! What has been your experience on refraining from rumination while feeling anxious?
Sorry that was so long!
Always remember: your only job is NOT to SOLVE it. You dont have to solve or figure out anything. If you can do that CONGRATULATIONS you are not ruminating. Always remember: Mental checking, analyzing, monitoring , even directing your attention to problem is rumination
@DADO So it’s okay if I feel anxious, as long as I’m not trying to solve the problem?
Btw your anxiety will go down gradually over time . I did this and i have 0 anxiety for past 2 months
@Madison DONT SOLVE ANYTHING Your anxiety will go away on it’s own I know its hard , but it will get easier. It takes a lot of practice and patience
@DADO WOW congratulations!! That’s amazing! Is it ok to feel anxious as long as I’m not ruminating?
@Madison Yes
@DADO Wow thank you, I am so happy you’ve recovered and I hope I can be able to stop ruminating as well!! Thank you for the help and congrats again on your recovery
@Madison You’re very welcome and let me know anything that i can do to help you. You will be fine as well
@DADO Thank you so so much 💪
@DADO I’m really struggling today. I catch myself ruminating all the time and I get very upset with myself. I feel horribly overwhelmed and discouraged. I know I can’t “figure out” how to stop because that’s more rumination and I’ll never get an answer, but I know I’m doing it wrong, and I feel hopeless. :/ How are you doing?
Hey DADO, how are you doing?
Hi. I know this post was a long time ago, but did you ever manage to learn to stop ruminating ?
I’m constantly thinking about hocd thoughts. What if I’m gay? What if you like her? Blah blah things like that, I can’t tell if it’s ocd anymore. Like deep down I know, and some days I know all the time I’m straight. I don’t like girls, I never have. So why can’t I just get it through my head? I’m tired of it. I literally can’t tell anymore
Okay so I have been struggling with HOCD for so fucking long. I never felt like I had crushes on boys growing up but I wasn’t attracted to girls either (this was through 5th grade). Until 6th grade hit. I remember it like it was yesterday. I had the thought walking up the stairs and it was “You’re lesbian.” And ever since that thought was there and I fought it I have been dealing with all types of OCD ever since (been going on for 7 years). And only this year I found it was OCD. But it’s hard because I don’t know if I’m actually gay or I convinced myself I’m gay because I gave up and gave in. Now whenever I see I pretty girl I feel tingling. And I wanted to prove to myself that I wasn’t a lesbian so I look up pretty pictures of girls with their boobs out and I loved it. And I wanna make out with a girl so intensely. But then at the same I don’t wanna be in a relationship with a girl and I wanna marry a guy and I just desperately wanted to be like by a guy. But I get so horny whenever girls are in bikinis and stuff. But I have OCD and I’m so confused.
Hey guys. i’m a 14 year old female and i think i may be struggling from HOCD. My reason for this is because i really struggle setting aside thoughts about my sexual orientation. Growing up i always wanted to marry a man and have kids but up untill now there’s something in my head telling me that i don’t want to do that and i’m making it up. i have all kinds of intrusive thoughts about s€xual intercourse with girls and even just being in a relationship with a girl and they have become that common it’s like in my head that i’ve accepted it and my head is tricking me into the fact i like it, when in reality i don’t! there’s so much more to this but all i want to know is is this HOCD and i’m not in denial? pls it’s causing me so much distress, i’d appreciate any help! <3
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