- Username
- silverfire
- Date posted
- 4y ago
My therapist put it to me that “just because you do ERP doesn’t mean you live like a pig in shit.” People without OCD still take precautions for their health. What differentiates them from us is that they’re generally satisfied with the precautions they’re directed to take, and they generally aren’t plagued by an overwhelming, unrelenting sense of “but what if I’m wrong? what if the directions are wrong? what if the directions are right, but I didn’t follow them well enough? what if I didn’t do what I’m supposed to and somebody dies because of it?” and then argue with themselves over it, continually check to make sure they haven’t set things up to fail, take more (or more stringent) precautions than they need to, and feel varying levels and flavors of guilty about their actions and thoughts regarding the situation. I work in an Emergency Room, and when the pandemic started our bosses gathered us all up and told us “We don’t want you guys to look at all these different news sources telling you all these different things about the virus, because we don’t know how accurate their reports are. We are keeping up with, and following, the CDC guidelines.” So in the case of the pandemic, ERP doesn’t mean refusing to wear a mask; and in the case of changing cat litter, ERP doesn’t mean neglecting to wash your hands. It might mean—depending on what compulsions you deal with—stepping onto your front porch for some fresh air, or refraining from wiping down mail/packages, or being strict about washing your hands for 20 seconds instead of 90. And then sitting with/breathing through any guilt or anxiety you feel about *not* engaging in any precautionary behavior that an authority on the subject (like the CDC) would consider to be excessive. Congratulations on your pregnancy, by the way 😃
This is incredible. So thankful you posted. Especially as someone who works in emergency. I had to go to emergency about 2 months ago for a separate health mystery I am dealing with. My doctor actually had me go as a precaution to get some quick scans and i was so scared to go as someone with contamination ocd. It was really helpful to see how calm the nurses and custodial staff were. Everyone just followed procedure and was chill. They were chatting with colleagues and laughing a little and being so calm with patients. It was really encouraging to see medical professionals living inside of guidelines and doing their jobs just fine. This isnt to minimalize what you guys do. I know it stressful and scary and a lot of responsibility. What you guys do is amazing. Thank you for your work and for sharing your insights here :)
There are so good webbinars about this, check out IOCDF town hall on you tube. The basic is "live according to the guidelines", thats enough ERP for aprson with OCD, the response prevention part us to do nothing more than recommended, in your case follow the recommendations for pregnancy.
Hey so I searched a lot for this because I struggle hard. I found this webinar a while ago that helped me A LOT. You have to do safe ERP right now. It cant be done like it used to. Simply put, you have to follow the cdc and your doctors recommendations and no more. With OCD we tend to go overboard. I used to store my groceries for a week and wash my hands more than 70 times a day even though me and my husband work from home and only do curbside pickup of groceries. ERP for me was to lessen my hand washing and only do a single handwashing for 20 seconds. I also had very long shower rituals and for me ERP is to wash each body part for 20 seconds and move on. You shouldnt be doing ERP like you maybe did before the pandemic because sitting on a bathroom floor or whatever the more extreme versions were before is not safe right now. I loved this webinar. It's long but so so SO worth it. I sat down with my husband and watched it one night while eating supper on the couch. I really highly reccomend it. https://youtu.be/zoXXRRC3opk
Well said!!
This is something best discussed with a doctor and therapist.
Can ERP actually be done though? I’m starting next week but I’m trying to learn about this in the meantime. Obviously sinking dollars on something that can’t help isn’t ideal with a baby on the way.
Question around contamination ocd and ethics. If you can give feedback I'd so appreciate it. I have a fear right now that over touched something in my house contaminated with covid. Rationally it's so unlikely its contaminated. Just the side of a bookshelf I may have touched yesterday when I felt my hands were contaminated. Realistically i never should have had the concern to begin with. However, i feel guilty doing erp to ignore it, because by not washing my hands and continuing to touch common surfaces in my house, I feel i am spreading it. Is it unfair to my husband to push past and keep going because then hes exposed to what I've touched? ERP gets a lot more confusing when addressing fears that you yourself are the one spreading contamination because you have independence and dominion over yourself to say "I agree to this exposure". When you fear you are the person doing the spreading, its other peoples dominion. Thoughts? Help? Any philosophers out there? Lol
I'm really confused about what ERP actually is. I've read that it's all about facing your intrusive thoughts & not doing the compulsions, but then I also hear it's about more than that, like eating off a toilet seat, or even licking a toilet seat. So I guess my question is if ERP is really about letting my intrusive thoughts be there and not reacting to them, whats the point of doing far-out-there exposures that would bother be OCD or no OCD. I could lick toilets, eat from them, roll around in dumpsters, make things opposite from the way I want them all day, but I'm still not going to like doing those things. It's weird because the description of ERP seems to contradict things when it's actually put into practice.
Hello again. I'm having a bit of a struggle today... I worry about contaminating others with my "bathroom germs", and I know ERP would involve carrying on as normal say, if my shirt gets in my lap when using the washroom and touches an area of my body where there's been waste, but while rationally I know that that kind of thing isn't horrible and there's already "bathroom germs" EVERYWHERE... I am stuck. It feels morally wrong to PURPOSEFULLY go about my day despite knowing I'm "contaminated". I get lots of people don't even wash their HANDS... I don't want to participate in the germ spreading. I don't like knowing that MY grossness could be on someone. It's probably not harmful, but I feel like I don't have the right to do this, like it's disgusting and amoral somehow. A vent, I suppose. I want to start meaningful ERP but I can't get over this. Any advice? (Tagging as trigger just in case.)
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