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- silverfire
- Date posted
- 4y ago
My therapist put it to me that “just because you do ERP doesn’t mean you live like a pig in shit.” People without OCD still take precautions for their health. What differentiates them from us is that they’re generally satisfied with the precautions they’re directed to take, and they generally aren’t plagued by an overwhelming, unrelenting sense of “but what if I’m wrong? what if the directions are wrong? what if the directions are right, but I didn’t follow them well enough? what if I didn’t do what I’m supposed to and somebody dies because of it?” and then argue with themselves over it, continually check to make sure they haven’t set things up to fail, take more (or more stringent) precautions than they need to, and feel varying levels and flavors of guilty about their actions and thoughts regarding the situation. I work in an Emergency Room, and when the pandemic started our bosses gathered us all up and told us “We don’t want you guys to look at all these different news sources telling you all these different things about the virus, because we don’t know how accurate their reports are. We are keeping up with, and following, the CDC guidelines.” So in the case of the pandemic, ERP doesn’t mean refusing to wear a mask; and in the case of changing cat litter, ERP doesn’t mean neglecting to wash your hands. It might mean—depending on what compulsions you deal with—stepping onto your front porch for some fresh air, or refraining from wiping down mail/packages, or being strict about washing your hands for 20 seconds instead of 90. And then sitting with/breathing through any guilt or anxiety you feel about *not* engaging in any precautionary behavior that an authority on the subject (like the CDC) would consider to be excessive. Congratulations on your pregnancy, by the way 😃
This is incredible. So thankful you posted. Especially as someone who works in emergency. I had to go to emergency about 2 months ago for a separate health mystery I am dealing with. My doctor actually had me go as a precaution to get some quick scans and i was so scared to go as someone with contamination ocd. It was really helpful to see how calm the nurses and custodial staff were. Everyone just followed procedure and was chill. They were chatting with colleagues and laughing a little and being so calm with patients. It was really encouraging to see medical professionals living inside of guidelines and doing their jobs just fine. This isnt to minimalize what you guys do. I know it stressful and scary and a lot of responsibility. What you guys do is amazing. Thank you for your work and for sharing your insights here :)
There are so good webbinars about this, check out IOCDF town hall on you tube. The basic is "live according to the guidelines", thats enough ERP for aprson with OCD, the response prevention part us to do nothing more than recommended, in your case follow the recommendations for pregnancy.
Hey so I searched a lot for this because I struggle hard. I found this webinar a while ago that helped me A LOT. You have to do safe ERP right now. It cant be done like it used to. Simply put, you have to follow the cdc and your doctors recommendations and no more. With OCD we tend to go overboard. I used to store my groceries for a week and wash my hands more than 70 times a day even though me and my husband work from home and only do curbside pickup of groceries. ERP for me was to lessen my hand washing and only do a single handwashing for 20 seconds. I also had very long shower rituals and for me ERP is to wash each body part for 20 seconds and move on. You shouldnt be doing ERP like you maybe did before the pandemic because sitting on a bathroom floor or whatever the more extreme versions were before is not safe right now. I loved this webinar. It's long but so so SO worth it. I sat down with my husband and watched it one night while eating supper on the couch. I really highly reccomend it. https://youtu.be/zoXXRRC3opk
Well said!!
This is something best discussed with a doctor and therapist.
Can ERP actually be done though? I’m starting next week but I’m trying to learn about this in the meantime. Obviously sinking dollars on something that can’t help isn’t ideal with a baby on the way.
How do you use ERP (exposure response prevention) to help “just right” OCD? I’ve never quite understood how to expose myself to anything to help me not do my compulsions since a lot of my feelings are just that it’s not right Like for germ/cleaning OCD they say to touch a trash can or something to expose yourself and not give in to your compulsions, but how would you do something like that with just right ocd?
I'm really confused about what ERP actually is. I've read that it's all about facing your intrusive thoughts & not doing the compulsions, but then I also hear it's about more than that, like eating off a toilet seat, or even licking a toilet seat. So I guess my question is if ERP is really about letting my intrusive thoughts be there and not reacting to them, whats the point of doing far-out-there exposures that would bother be OCD or no OCD. I could lick toilets, eat from them, roll around in dumpsters, make things opposite from the way I want them all day, but I'm still not going to like doing those things. It's weird because the description of ERP seems to contradict things when it's actually put into practice.
I got diagnosed in October (even tho I’ve had very obvious symptoms since I was a young kid in hindsight) and started ERP soon after. At first, ERP seemed to make sense to me. The whole idea of exposing yourself to your triggers and overtime learning that there’s no real threat there, and learning to tolerate anxiety. But during this holiday season my harm theme has come up a bit again, due to being home with my family and their playing violent shows on TV. And it occurred to me that there seems to be no winning with ERP. I would sit there watching the violent shows with my family, and try my hardest to resist any mental compulsions, but then just be left feeling horrible and anxious all day. And I realized that I actually DON’T WANT to be desensitized to violence. I don’t want to get to a point where violent thoughts don’t make me anxious, because I think that would make me a less empathetic and less pure-hearted person. To get even more specific, if I have an intrusive thought that says “what if I kill my family like I just saw in that tv show?” the ERP response would be “maybe I will kill my family, maybe I won’t”. BUT THAT’S AWFUL. That just sounds stupid to me. How is anyone supposed to say such a thing or “accept uncertainty” about that?? I would rather keep doing my mental compulsion of blocking out the thought than even entertaining the “uncertainty” that I could hurt my family. So it’s like, if I let the violent thoughts be there, my options are 1: feel horrible all the time (which I think is an appropriate response to having horrible thoughts, but it’s still not a fun way to live), or 2: if I try to push them out, that’s supposedly a compulsion which is supposedly making the OCD worse, so there no winning in either scenario for me. Can anyone relate? What am I missing here? There’s gotta be a better solution or something I’m not understanding about ERP, right?
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