- Username
- MJocd
- Date posted
- 4y ago
You've shared this story multiple times ☺. A detail that's different is mentioning you're afraid you'll get in trouble for having it on your device. What do you think is happening right now?
I know, I'm just upset about it amongst other things. Yes I had that intrusive thought about the device today, it didnt enter my mind before. :(
@MJocd Understandable. Recognize that OCD spreads and shape shifts.
@Ben84 But what if it's not even an OCD worry and it's a genuine worry? I wish she had never sent me that. ☹ its really triggered me.
@MJocd Maybe it is, maybe it Isn't. Seeking certainty will not make you feel better in the long run.
As for the "what if it's a real worry" thing: all worries are real worries. Some worries are more rational than others. Your question is really: what if this is a rational concern? I dont recommend self reassurance that the police will have no reason to look at your phone or that they can't arrest everyone who shared a viral video etc, that'll just lead to a spiralling obsession. What I do recommend is noticing one thing: if a scary scenario came true where you faced criticism or judgment, you would HANDLE IT. Better than you think. You HAVE the ability to argue your own case. You HAVE other people in your life who would support you. You don't need to run through an imagined future scenario. You can, genuinely, cross that bridge if and when you come to it. The correct answer to your "what if" is "seems unlikely, but I'd deal with it", and then no more rumination. Even a 'realistic' worry is very rarely worth spending your free time ruminating on, since worrying doesn't actually make you any safer OR any more resilient to bad things. You can become more resilient to bad things (and improve your confidence in your ability to handle them) by reducing perfectionism as much as possible.
You've already told us about this. As you know, intrusive thoughts get even more persistent when you resist them and when you perform rumination compulsions. Intrusive thoughts pop up and they want you to spend time thinking about it. Your job is to not do so. It doesn't matter whether the compulsion involves repeating to yourself mentally that you believe it's immoral and therefore aren't a bad person, or thinking about how you would justify it being on your phone to the police, or imagining being confronted about it, or anything else related to the situation you've described. Compulsions don't help your OCD, they just feel good temporarily. You don't have to respond to the intrusive thoughts of "what if you get in trouble from having been sent it" or "what if you actually liked it and you're a terrible person" by finding ways to make the ideas feel temporarily less threatening. That usually just makes them come back even stronger once they find holes in the mental defence you created (e.g. "but what if they don't care that someone sent it to me?" or "but what if I'm just trying to act like a good person?". For what it's worth, I do think your moral OCD is kinda corroding your personality and that you really should try ASAP to consistently identify and resist doing mental compulsions. You don't want to turn into someone whose main personality feature is pointing out things they think are inappropriate, like all those aunts on Facebook who wander into groups and try to tell off grown adults for swearing or telling rude jokes. That's not a fun person to be, it's lonely. It seems like you hyper focus on the morality obsession and relate everything back to it, so when something comes up that most people don't think even has a moral element (or might wonder that for a second and then easily dismiss it as unlikely and unimportant), but something in it triggers an intrusive thought for you, you feel that you need to assert against your anxiety in as many ways as possible that you don't approve, otherwise there could be something morally defunct about you. You're right about not being able to control the world to avoid triggers. But I wonder if it could also be useful to try to seperate out your personality from your judging response. I doubt that the judging response is actually who you are, it's just a part of you who wants things to be in clear boxes so you can't be tainted, and you'll put as much in the "immoral box" as it takes to ensure that you feel clean and pure. I mean, the reality is that none of us are perfectly moral, we don't even know what that would be, opinions always differ. It's a bit like you don't want to expose yourself to potential criticism from other people or from the perfectionistic, shaming voice in your head, so instead of building trust with yourself and other people that they won't bully you, or improving your ability to handle shame, criticism or judgment, you're just trying your best to control situations and obey all the rules which minimise the possibility of any criticism. Your brain got you whipped. Something triggering discomfort in you isn't the same thing as you genuinely thinking it's immoral or inappropriate, and there's really no need to double down on the idea that it is. Same thing as reporting the erotica- I don't think your real personality genuinely finds stuff in it inappropriate, you just get an intrusive thought from a slightly triggering sentence or element of it (e.g. the ages weren't described and this was written by a teenager, hence these fictional characters sound like teenagers and they could be intended as being underage") and then you respond to the story as if it's *the same thing* as your intrusive thought, just in case it is. I think the same thing is happening here- you might have felt shocked and suddenly very uncomfortable at being suddenly sent it, but that's about being sent something you found triggering, not necessarily about the video itself. You CAN see perfectly way that it was of a cute baby doing cute things and that there's nothing objectively wrong with nudity. You're having intrusive thoughts which cause anxiety and discomfort and guilt, and trying to neutralise to those ideas and emotions via the compulsion of putting the video in the Immoral box. The video itself as far as the vast majority of the world (and likely also you minus OCD) is concerned is extremely innocent, probably very cute, and belongs in the Wholesome box. Your OCD ideas about the video based on triggered emotions and worries are getting you to put it in the Immoral box, to put as much distance between yourself and the threat as possible. But your worst interpretations are not the same thing as the reality of what the video (or erotica) is, you know? You can't keep yourself perfectly safe from judgment or criticism or threat in life via judging and criticising anything which might potentially not be perfect, in somebody's eyes or in some particular imagined scenario.
Thankyou, as always you've captured the very essence of what seems to be going on in my head, in a way that I couldn't have explained it myself. I've been doing so, so, so well in recent months (or so I was), ERP to erotica got much easier, nothing triggered me, intrusive thoughts vanished for the most part or were very limited and then that video just triggered it. That video and a few other things, like coming across pictures of Abu Ghraib prison during the iraq war when I was reading an article on it, it just ruined my sleep and has made me sick to my stomach all day. It was something in my psychology textbook and it just really disturbed me. I think everything has just come together to give me sickening anxiety today, you know the kind of anxiety where lights and noises are irritating and scary and the only safe place is under your duvet :(. Just feel sick tbh ?. I think my moral OCD feeds off everything and its starting to become a part of my character and personality, you're completely right. :(
@MJocd I think really the best thing to help you out is to do a lot of reading/watching videos about self compassion and trying it out, looking at some aspects of yourself which you usually shame yourself about and just trying to tolerate them. You don't have to start with self love, literally just self tolerance, you don't have to speak kindly to yourself (a lot of us don't even know how to), just less harshly, like trying to be your own friend and seeing how it goes. For me, it helps to imagine that it's my sister going through it, and what nice and neutral things I would like to say to her about whatever scenario she's dealing with. If you felt like you could handle being judged or making mistakes or having flaws, I don't think that your need to keep perceived threats zoned away from you would be as strong. It helps out both with quieting down the shaming, overprotective voice in your head, and with improving how you feel about the prospect of being judged or criticised or seen as immoral, because it helps you to have your own back and be more assertive where people misunderstand or judge unfairly. It also gets you more comfortable with the reality that, as well as there being judgey, ignorant and superior-feeling people out there, even normal kind regular people are going to judge sometimes, and it's more of a reflection of how they see the world than a reflection on you. It really feels good to have someone on your side saying kind, true things to you, even if that's just yourself.
I'm honestly still having intrusive thoughts about this even though I'm trying so hard to not think about it. I know it's not my fault what I was sent but I literally feel like what if no one believes me!! ☹ that's obv supposing something bad even happens in the first place which is unlikely but its honestly stopping me from being able to be happy
"I'm trying so hard to not think about it" This may be your problem. In the ancient book The Art of War, Sun Tzu says "To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." This seems to align with ERP therapy. Instead of fighting, let them be ☺.
A few months back I saw a picture of a kid in a swimming costume on the beach but the photo was taken from the back of the kid and I saw it but because of my intrusive thoughts I don’t like to look Past the hip area because it triggers me to have horrible thoughts and I thought no I’m not my thoughts so I clicked back on to it and looked past the hips area but it’s now making me think I’m a horrible person I shouldn’t of looked where I did and it’s just making me feel so horrible but I was just trying to prove to my ocd brain that if I look at a photo and I just happen to see that area that it didn’t mean anything I’m now stuck
Hi everyone! Hope everyone’s doing well. I just wanted to ask a question because I’ve been trying to improve with not letting the intrusive thoughts make me spiral, but something happened the other day that has been making me really upset, and down, but I don’t know if my worry is connected to my OCD or if it’s just general feelings. I just wanted some advice. Basically, I’ve been struggling with POCD and also have struggled with HOCD however the HOCD is not as bad now, however I do still frequently get the intrusive thoughts. Anyway, someone on here told me and several sites that I had been making my OCD worse by avoiding things such as masturbating or porn to avoid the intrusive thoughts in these situations. So the other day, I tried to watch some whilst masturbating, and not stopping if the intrusive thoughts came, and just try and brush them off and not have a guilt spiral. But I watched a video that came up and it was a man working as a masseuse and there were different women coming in and he was massaging them but going close to her down below and then touching her there. And the camera angle was weird, and it looked hidden and I did get a bit worried about it but just carried on. But then I looked at the top of the video and it said sponsored by hidden cameras in massage places. And then I was like omg no what if this video has been uploaded and the women didn’t have consent and they didn’t know they were being filmed and I’ve just watched a man touching them. And I didn’t stop the video, I watched for around 20 more seconds and then turned it off so now I feel so so guilty, and I feel like a terrible person. Is this my OCD ? I’m just so stressed and feel awful, I keep trying to brush the thoughts away but it’s becoming difficult to, and it’s making me feel terrible. Any help ?
This is really disgusting to even talk about but I been dealing with intrusive sexual thoughts and I get triggered for everything so I avoid the news and all that but my bf was telling me this disturbing story about how someone did something sexual to a dead body and I got an intrusive image of me doing doing that and I always avoid anything bad in the news because of that and I feel so disgusted then it kept getting worse and I got an intrusive thoughts of my bf dead body and I was like wtf why would I get an image of that then my mind started bringing up family member that past away and I’m scared of getting more intrusive thoughts I’m so scared I think something is wrong with me why I’m I thinking like I love my family and bf why I’m I having these disgusting and disturbing thoughts of them or anyone it keeps getting worse I would never even wanna do that or think of that please help
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