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As someone who is suffering from POCD which shows some similar symptoms to HOCD, I can tell you that the last sentence is quite triggering and far from the truth. I think there are many reasons people are afraid of being homosexual and it doesn’t directly have to do something with homophobia. Maybe someone who’s been in a relationship with someone from the opposite gender for quite a long time suddenly has the fear of being gay and therefor is afraid of not being able to live their relationship like they used to do. Or someone who believes it‘s a sin develops such a fear. Of course homosexuality should be nothing to fear but sometimes the circumstances are the reason they develop the fear. For e.g. having a family and suddenly questioning your sexuality and kinda your identity is a distress for those people. I believe that homosexuality is equally to heterosexuality but I also understand that believing this and thinking about being homosexual yourself even tho you once was convinced you weren’t is a huge difference. It’s quite hard to explain but I think it has less to do with homophobia and more to do with ones self-perception. Still, some cases might be linked to homophobia but definitely not every case. And no, people who are suffering from this are not in denial. They are afraid they might be and that’s a huge difference. But again, it’s quite hard to explain. Nevertheless I understand that HOCD might offend you but believe me most of the people suffering from it don’t want to offend you at all. It’s just not something they are in control of. We still have to remember that it’s an illness, no matter what topic OCD chose to make you suffer from. I just wish everyone the best and hope they’re getting better, because this illness is an asshole.
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I’m a lesbian too melony and it’s definitely hard to for me to understand too. Coming out was difficult but I’m so proud to be gay! I’d definitely like to hear from people who struggle with HOCD to gain more perspective.
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@nlnnoaia that was well explained. It’s interesting to hear what others go through. I think I have a better understanding. Thank you!
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I have HOCD myself, and I can see your point, I’ve questioned myself during HOCD about whether I’m just homophobic but I doubt it. Before the HOCD took hold, I had a friend who came out as bi on Facebook and I was one of the first people to congratulate him, and I was genuinely happy for him. When HOCD strikes it leaves you questioning your integrity as a person, much like POCD which I also had before. I had never thought about the possibility of me being gay until a few months ago, (I’m 19 now btw), when something or other triggered me to begin having these thoughts, (which I tried to disprove and then ruminated on and the whole ocd cycle started). I could be gay for all I know, and it’s not that I dislike gay people for being gay, more that I am confused and exasperated as to whether I have been lying to myself all these years, and whether I was gay from the start. You start analysing your previous thoughts and making connections, e.g. maybe because I’m more of a creative individual, I must have been gay and not known it all these years, or, maybe the fact that I haven’t been in a relationship yet means I must be gay. Then you try to disprove it based on other past experiences, e.g. I’ve only ever been sexually attracted to women so I can’t have been gay, or, I’ve been in a boys school my whole life and never thought about having sex with a boy so I can’t have been gay. This helps for a few minutes but then the questioning begins over and over again. I can’t judge what you went through when you decided to come out as lesbian and the process of figuring out your sexuality, but from the sounds of it, you are happy with who you are attracted to, and would have liked the thoughts and feelings you had for women (even if you may have berated yourself for them after you had them, when you were discovering your sexuality?) The thoughts of having sex with a man (or women if you are a woman) for HOCD sufferers to do not cause pleasure, although after battling with OCD for a long period of time, you can become somewhat desensitised or even become aroused when you don’t want it, as was the case for POCD. The majority of the population also gets the same thoughts as us OCD sufferers, but they react in a different way, without questioning them. OCD is based on the brain’s uncontrollable desire to be certain, which is how the questioning, e.g. “why did I have that thought?” starts. This is why treatment for any kind of OCD aims not to reassure the sufferer, but to make the comfortable with being uncertain. I could be gay/bisexual, I could be sexually attracted to men/wish to engage in a relationship with a man but the treatment aims to make me comfortable with the possibility that it could be true. It may help for you to actually think about OCD overall, rather than just so called HOCD if it’s easier for you to understand. Any OCD is based on uncertainty, for example, the more well known and stereotyped germ OCD. In order to be able to manage their OCD, people must accept that they may be exposed to a deadly disease from touching a surface without washing their hands, but (when treated so they can manage their symptoms) they can function normally and not need to wash their hands, even when they can’t be certain. Back to HOCD: I or any other HOCD sufferer may indeed be gay, the treatment does not aim to disprove that, it aims to help you function normally and stop doubting yourself to the point where it becomes debilitating. I hope this helps.
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I should also mention that this is not exclusively for heterosexuals. While straight people make up the majority of cases, this can also happen to gay/lesbian people who obsess that they might be straight, such as in this case: https://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forum/ocd-and-intrusive-thoughts/heterosexual-ocd
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I feel like some of it may be internalised homophobia
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Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences, it’s nice to get some clarity! Either way, we’re all in this together and it never hurts to understand each other better :). Much love ❤️.
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That’s what I am wondering.
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Well said! I am super proud as well.
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Yes, it is homophobic. That's why it's so scary to people who have it. This can happen in families who are truly pro LGBTQ
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It certainly does, thank you
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As a lesbian with SO-OCD, I feel so helpless. It's truly exhausting because no one I know understands what I'm going through. The first response is always, "You're just confused" or "You don't have to know yet." But that's not the issue, I do know. I just never see any lesbians with SO-OCD so I feel so invalidated. These thoughts flood my brain constantly, forcing me to analyze my reactions to every man I see. I feel trapped in an endless cycle of "testing" myself, trying to prove that I don't like them. But my brain fights back, telling me I do want to love a man, making it feel real even though don't want it. It's terrifying. At this point, it's hard to even hold onto my identity as a lesbian because I'm so overwhelmed. I don't know if this is what real attraction is supposed to feel like, and that fear eats away at me. The truth is, when I think about being with a man, all I feel is disgust and fear-but my brain twists that into doubt. I hate it. I'm at the point where I'm scared I'm going to have to accept something I don't want because I don't know if this will ever go away. I miss who I was before all this.
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trigger warning!!!!!! I’m really scared right now. I’ve been reading Elle Warren’s articles about her experience with HOCD/SO-OCD, and it feels so similar to mine. She went through the same fears of being a lesbian, felt distressed by her attraction to women, and spent hours ruminating, Googling, and analyzing her feelings. She even experienced groinal responses and revisited old memories, just like I do. Eventually, she had a moment of realization in college when she flirted with a girl, and everything clicked. She now identifies as a lesbian. I’m terrified that the same thing will happen to me. I thought the OCD fears were supposed to never be true and that HOCD thoughts are usually just compulsions that don’t end up being real. But reading her story, it’s like I’m seeing my own experience mirrored. What if it clicks for me, just like it did for her? What if I realize that I am a lesbian? Elle’s story makes me so scared. I thought my feelings of attraction to women were just OCD-driven, and now I’m questioning everything. I thought I was straight, but now, reading her journey, I’m wondering: could my OCD fears actually be real? Elle’s experience was very similar to mine: • She got distressed when she thought she might like women, not relieved. • She spent a lot of time ruminating, Googling, analyzing, and comparing. • Her attraction to women only became intense when her OCD flared up. • She said things like, “I feel peace when I believe I’m straight.” • She had already been diagnosed with OCD and had a history of this pattern. After years of fear and distress, Elle had a moment of calm and realized that it was true. I’m scared that this could happen to me too. Will I have a similar moment of acceptance, where everything clicks and I realize I’m gay? Or will I come to accept that this is all OCD, and that I’m straight, with the possibility that I’m not? I also keep thinking back to when my OCD lessened the first time. Did I go back to men because I wasn’t actually attracted to women, or was it just because the grip of the OCD had loosened? Elle also talked about the shame associated with non-heterosexuality. She mentioned that, like many of us, she had internalized stigma around being gay, and that it made her fear the possibility of being non-heterosexual. I can relate to this so much—growing up, I never saw it as an option to be anything other than straight, and now it’s hard to shake that fear and shame. Elle mentioned that she found reassurance in seeing other people with HOCD who worried that their fears would come true, but eventually realized they were just OCD thoughts. That idea is comforting, but also a little scary, because what if that moment of realization happens for me too? What if I finally accept that I am a lesbian? Or, what if I’m just struggling with OCD and eventually realize I’m straight? I just don’t know. The scariest part is that, just like Elle, I feel like I don’t have any obvious signs. She had no idea she was a lesbian until one day, everything clicked. She was 21, just like me when my OCD fears really flared up, and she had a breakthrough moment in Denver when she made friends with lesbians. That hasn’t happened for me yet, and it’s terrifying to think that it could happen in the future. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I’m really scared about where this will lead.
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